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|    Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn to All    |
|    Re: Galaxies don't fly apart because the    |
|    21 Jan 26 14:43:15    |
      From: PointedEars@web.de              Mikko wrote:       ^^^^^       Please post to Usenet using your full name. It is considered polite and       avoids ambiguities.              > On 20/01/2026 15:54, Paul B. Andersen wrote:       >> You are standing on the floor in a small room       >> without windows with an accelerometer fixed to the wall.       >> The accelerometer shows that it is accelerating       >> in the direction which to you is upwards.       >>       >> If the accelerometer shows that the acceleration       >> is constant 1g, then there is no way you can       >> decide whether you are stationary at the ground,       >> or if you are accelerating at 1g in a spaceship.       >>       >> If the accelerometer shows that the acceleration       >> is changing with time, then you know that you are       >> in a spaceship.       >       > Depends on how much it changes. On Earth you have small variations       > from the gravity of Moon and Sun. Sometimes you may have even large       > variations (of short duration) from earthquakes.              The gravitational field of a celestial body varies with location -- altitude       and surface coordinates --, and it may vary with time.              Your description considers the variation with surface coordinates and time       only to some extent. The primary variation with surface coordinates and       altitude is obvious from Newton's Law of Universal Gravitation (which --       because it describes gravitation so well -- has to be a limit of any theory       of gravitation, and actually is a limit of general relativity):               F(R) = m_i A(R) = m_g g(R) = -m_g G M/r^2 R/r               <==> g(R) = -G M/r^2 R/r,              where F(R), A(R), g(R) are vector fields, R is the radius vector, and       r = ||R||_2, and we have assumed (as Einstein did, from observations)       the equivalence of inertial mass m_i and gravitational mass m_g.              One can see that the magnitude of the gravitational field varies with r, and       as the law is assuming a spherically-symmetric object, this means that its       strength varies with altitude h:               ||g(h)||_2 = G M/(R + h)^2,              where now R is the radius of the object; but also               R = r [sin(θ) cos(φ), sin(θ) sin(φ), cos(θ)]^T,              so the direction of the field, always pointing towards the center of mass,       varies with latitude (90° - θ) and longitude φ. (Notwithstanding that there       probably is no celestial object with uniform mass density; certainy Terra is       not; and that a rotating celestial object is not spherical; certainly Terra       is not.)              Finally we have to consider variations of the gravitational field with       surface coordinates and time which you partially alluded to: There are other       celestial objects by whose existence the gravitational field is modified,       dependent on surface coordinates, altitude (some celestial objects, like       Sol, are farther away, but may have a larger mass; other celestial objects,       like Luna, may have a smaller mass but are closer to the object where we are       discussing the gravitational field), and time (the position-relation between       those objects changes with time, and so may the mass/energy distribution of       any of them).              That is why the Einstein Equivalence Principle -- "physics in a frame of       reference at rest under the influence of gravitation is experimentally       indistinguishable from physics in a constantly accelerating frame that is       not under the influence of gravitation" -- only applies under the assumption       of a *uniform* gravitational field, i.e. if the considered spacetime volume       is small enough that the variations mentioned before can be neglected.              Remarkably, though, it sufficed/suffices to formulate general relativity       which has been observationally confirmed to high precision.              --       PointedEars              Twitter: @PointedEars2       Please do not cc me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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