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   From: ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de   
      
   john larkin wrote or quoted:   
   >So when two gammas collide and create a particle pair, mass appears   
   >where there was none.   
   >Right so far?   
      
    While a single photon does not have mass, a pair of photons can   
    have mass. When two photons collide with opposite momenta, all their   
    energy is mass, and this mass is conserved during the process.   
    So it is /not/ correct to say, "mass appears where there was none".   
      
    Possible causes of why many people do not seem to get this   
    (I already proved it before [1] in a recent post of mine):   
      
    Some may confuse mass with /matter/. Matter usually is taken   
    to be fermions. In the process, non-matter (bosons) is in   
    fact converted into matter (fermions). So you /can/ say,   
    "matter appears where there was none".   
      
    While energy and momentum is additive, mass is /not additive/.   
    You can add two photons, both of which have /no/ mass, and get a   
    compound system /with/ mass. However, in the everyday world, mass   
    /is/ additive because we do not deal with relativistic systems   
    there. So, some people might transfer their everday concept of   
    mass to relativistic situations where it does not apply.   
      
    [1] For your convenience:   
      
   |Let's call the momenta of the two photons p0 and p1.   
   |   
   | We may assume p1 = -p0 as the two photons are moving towards   
   | each other from opposite directions. Let's call the momentum   
   | of the system of these two photons "p", then we have:   
   |   
   |p = p0 + p1 = p0 +( -p0 )= p0 - p0 = 0   
   |   
   | . Let's call the energy of this pair "E" and its mass "m". From   
   |   
   |E^2 = m^2 + p^2   
   |   
   | (in units with c=1) and   
   |   
   |p = 0   
   |   
   | , we get,   
   |   
   |E^2 = m^2   
   |   
   | for the pair. I.e., all its energy is mass. And this is the   
   | mass the particle pair has after the collision.   
      
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