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   From: bill.sloman@ieee.org   
      
   On 21/02/2026 10:46 pm, J. J. Lodder wrote:   
   > Bill Sloman  wrote:   
   >   
   >> On 21/02/2026 6:13 am, Ross Finlayson wrote:   
   >>> On 02/20/2026 10:52 AM, Ross Finlayson wrote:   
   >>>> On 02/20/2026 10:31 AM, Bill Sloman wrote:   
   >>>>> On 21/02/2026 3:47 am, Ross Finlayson wrote:   
   >>>>>> On 02/19/2026 11:45 PM, Bill Sloman wrote:   
   >>>>>>> On 20/02/2026 10:48 am, Ross Finlayson wrote:   
   >>>>>>>> On 02/19/2026 11:19 AM, Bill Sloman wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>> On 20/02/2026 2:44 am, Ross Finlayson wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>> On 02/19/2026 01:45 AM, Bill Sloman wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>> On 19/02/2026 6:13 am, Ross Finlayson wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> On 02/18/2026 11:06 AM, Ross Finlayson wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 02/17/2026 08:35 PM, Bill Sloman wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 18/02/2026 5:37 am, Ross Finlayson wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 02/17/2026 09:47 AM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ross Finlayson wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 02/17/2026 03:49 AM, J. J. Lodder wrote:   
   >>   
   >>    
   >>   
   >>> So, again for matters of language and the inter-subjective,   
   >>> we point to all the canon and dogma and doctrine as above,   
   >>> including revisiting what were deemed _closures_ of mathematical   
   >>> "openings" (perestroikas, catastrophes) that then instead of   
   >>> wrongly asserting (axiomatizing) the "ordinary" theory   
   >>> (eg Russell's retro-thesis of an ordinary inductive set   
   >>> after Russell's paradox refuting itself), and for the   
   >>> "Riddle of Induction" instead for these "bridge results"   
   >>> or "analytical bridges" of deduction, this way an account   
   >>> of the archetectonic is both paleo-classical, and, post-modern.   
   >>>   
   >>> And correct, ....   
   >>   
   >> Mathematics is just another human language.   
   >   
   > Plato, and most mathematicians with him,   
   > will disagree very much with you.   
      
   They might. Insanity doesn't seem to stop people being good at math.   
      
   >> A science fiction author - H Beam Piper - wrote a short story   
   >> "Omnilingual" that was published in 1957. I read it when it was first   
   >> published (while I was still at secondary school).   
   >>   
   >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omnilingual   
   >>   
   >> It makes the point that any creature that puts together a periodic table   
   >> of the elements is going to put together the same data, and that ought   
   >> to be a universal Rosetta Stone.   
   >   
   > And all of physics of course.   
    >   
   > Fred Hoyle, in his Andromeda books, also makes use of the same point,   
   > when elaborating on communicating with another intelligence.   
   > (like them knowing about the hydrogen spectrum)   
   >   
   >> This may be putting too much faith in the capacity of human language to   
   >> capture reality.   
   >   
   > What has human language got to do with it?   
      
   That's what we are using here. No language - no discussion.   
      
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   Bill Sloman, Sydney   
      
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