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   From: bill.sloman@ieee.org   
      
   On 24/02/2026 10:40 pm, J. J. Lodder wrote:   
   > Bill Sloman  wrote:   
   >   
   >> On 24/02/2026 7:08 am, J. J. Lodder wrote:   
   >>> Bill Sloman  wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>> On 23/02/2026 5:38 pm, Ross Finlayson wrote:   
   >>> [-]   
   >>>>> I mostly see Spinoza as an echo of Duns Scotus,   
   >>>>> then though the "men are natural enemies" I don't get,   
   >>>>> sort of like that Calvinism is disagreeable.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Jonathon Israel got very interested in Spinoza and points out that a lot   
   >>>> of Roman Catholic theologians got very interested in Spinoza and spent a   
   >>>> century or so trying to prove him wrong. I don't think that Duns Scotus   
   >>>> generated anything like as much interest.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Israel   
   >>>   
   >>> You might also like Steven Nadler on Spinoza,   
   >>> and why he was so controversial, then and still.   
   >>> "A Book Forged In Hell".   
   >>> Theologians of various kinds were not merely 'interested'.   
   >>>   
   >>> [-]   
   >>>> Greek philosophy was great at getting hold of the wrong end of the stick.   
   >>>   
   >>> Ah, you have the right end?   
   >>   
   >> I'm not a philosopher. How could I possibly know?   
   >   
   > Then how could you know that 'the Greek philosophers' (whoever)   
   > usually got the wrong end?   
      
   I've read quite a bit of the history, and historians do enjoy pointing   
   it out. Hindsight is a wonderful thing, and Greek philosophy occurred   
   long enough ago to have been exposed to quite a lot of it.   
      
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   Bill Sloman, Sydney   
      
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