XPost: sci.physics.relativity, comp.os.linux.advocacy   
   From: recscuba_google@huntzinger.com   
      
   On 3/2/25 16:14, Joel wrote:   
   > -hh  wrote:   
   >   
   >>>>> take my word for it, I'm in on this, Trump is giving us   
   >>>>> a chance to solve this.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> But why should I take your word for any of this?   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Increasing the bullying of a victim doesn't ever stop the bullying.   
   >>>   
   >>> We've lost the war with Russia, is the bottom line.  Ukraine bravely   
   >>> fought it for us but it hasn't worked.  We have to satisfy Putin, fair   
   >>> as it may not seem.   
   >>   
   >> No, we've not lost the war with Russia.  We've barely tried, and we've   
   >> been grossly delinquent in living up to the security promises we made to   
   >> Ukraine.  If you really want to "end it", then we're obligated to give   
   >> back to Ukraine their bombers and nukes.  Pragmatically, the peace   
   >> bringing force-equalizer would be for Russia to fear Moscow being nuked.   
   >   
   >   
   > You're wanting World War III to happen, then?  Because that's what   
   > you're implying with that logic.   
      
   No, not saying that I "want" that.  I'm merely noting that when you're   
   doomed to die anyway, nuking the other SOB takes them down with you.   
      
   If that starts a larger exchange (or not) is no longer relevant to you   
   because you're already dead:  its the principle of MAD as a deterrent,   
   and my observation is that MAD only works when both sides have nukes.   
      
   So if you really want peace, solution is give Ukraine back their nukes.   
      
      
   -hh   
      
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