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|    Ross Finlayson to Ross Finlayson    |
|    Re: The Suspicious Journals of Ross A. K    |
|    05 Apr 25 10:17:31    |
      [continued from previous message]              >> refrigerator. There was nothing there but the cat food he had cooked on       >> the day he first saw the magic mountain. He got on the computer to order       >> something zesty from HelloFresh. After choosing the closest to a healthy       >> nice pre-agricultural food kit, he clicked, "Go to checkout" button,       >> after which the computer waited for a few seconds but instead of getting       >> to the check out screen, a screen came up to make sure Physfit was not a       >> robot. It had a simple question that he had to give it the correct       >> answer, otherwise food nommo.       >>       >> The question went like this:       >>       >> "In math, is there a difference between the two numbers 0.999999...       >> and 1 ?"       >>       >> The digits of "9" continued forever to the right of the radix point. So       >> of course, Physfit clicked on the "yes" button. If there was not a       >> difference, then one wouldn't even bother to write 1 in that funky form,       >> using an infinite series of digit 9.       >>       >> But the screen disappeared, and a message said, "You're a robot. Bye!"       >>       >> Physfit said, "Fuck!" (first of the fix number of curses Jesus had       >> allowed him for that day). So he took a pen and paper and started       >> jotting down:       >>       >> x = 0.99999....       >>       >> Therefore:       >>       >> 10x = 9.99999....       >>       >> Now he subtracted the former from the latter:       >>       >> 10x - x = 9.99999... - 0.99999...       >>       >> Which simplifies to:       >>       >> 9x = 9       >>       >> And therefore:       >>       >> x = 1       >>       >> "What the fuck??", said Physfit (his 2nd curse of the day).       >>       >> Why x which was 0.99999... and not 1, turned out to be 1? ... "       >>       >>       >> (end of quote)       >>       >>       >> So, is this problem pointing to what Kosmanson has been so keen about? :)       >>       >>       >>       >>       >>       >       > Once I was reading a book or article,       > and was introduced the introduction of .999 (...),       > vis-a-vis, 1. A cohort of subjects was surveyed       > their opinion and belief whether .999, dot dot dot,       > was equal to, or less than, one. About half said       > same and about half said different.       >       >       > It's two different natural notations that happen       > to collide and thus result being ambiguous.       >       > So, then these days we have the laws of arithmetic       > introduced in primary school, usually kindergarten,       > about the operations on numbers, and also inequalities,       > and the order in numbers.       >       > Yet, even the usual account of addition and its       > inverse and its recursion and that's inverse,       > as operators, of whole numbers, has a different       > account, of increment on the one side, and, division       > on the other, sort of like the Egyptians only had       > division or fractions and Egyptian fractions,       > and tally marks are only increment, that though       > it was the Egyptian fractions that gave them a       > mathematics, beyond the simplest sort of conflation       > of "numbering" and "counting".       >       > So, where ".999 vis-a-vis 1" has a deconstructive account,       > to eliminate its ambiguities with respect to what it's       > to model, or the clock-arithmetic and field-arithmetic,       > even arithmetic has a deconstructive account, then,       > even numbering versus counting has a deconstructive account,       > to help eliminate what are the usually ignored ambiguities.       >       >       > So, pre-calculus, the course, goes to eliminate or talk       > away the case .999, dot dot dot, different 1. Yet,       > it can be reconstrued and reconstructed, on its own       > constructive account. So, it's a convention.       >       >       > It's "multiplicity theory", see, that any, "singularity       > theory", which results as of admitting only the principal       > branch of otherwise a "bifurcation" or "opening" or "catastrophe"       > or "perestroika (opening)", as they are called in mathematics,       > branches, that singularity theory is a multiplicity theory,       > yet the usual account has that it's just nothing,       > or that it's apeiron and asymptotic.       >       >       > So, there's a clock arithmetic where there's a reason why       > that there's a .999, dot dot dot, _before_ 1.0, in the       > course of passage of values from 0, to 1, and, it's also       > rather particularly only between 0 and 1, as what results       > thusly a whole, with regards to relating it to the modularity       > of integers, the integral moduli.       >       > Thusly, real infinity has itself correctly and constructively       > back in numbers for "standard infinitesimals" here called       > "iota-values".       >       > Then, this is totally simple and looks like f(n) = n/d,       > for n goes from zero to d and d goes to infinity, this       > is a limit of functions for this function which is not-       > a- real- function yet is a nonstandard function and that       > has real analytical character, it's a discrete function       > that's integrable and whose integral equals 1, it illustrates       > a doubling-space according to measure theory in the measure problem,       > it's its own anti-derivative so all the tricks about the exponential       > function in functional analysis have their usual methods about it,       > it's also a pdf and CDF of the natural integers at uniform random,       > of which there are others, because there are at least three laws       > of large numbers, at least three Cantor spaces, at least three       > models of continuous domains, and, at least three probability       > distributions of the naturals at uniform random.       >       > So, "iota-values" are not the same thing as the raw differential,       > which differential analysts will be very familiar with as usually       > not- the- raw- differential yet only as under the integral bar       > in the formalism, yet representing about the solidus or divisor bar       > the relation of two quantities algebraically, then indeed there's       > that "iota-values" are as of some "standard infinitesimals", yet       > only under the limit of function the "natural/unit equivalency function"       > the N/U EF, about [0,1]. This thus results a model of       > a continuous domain "line reals" to go along with the usual standard       > linear curriculum's "field reals" then furthermore later there's       > a "signal reals" of at least these three models of continuous domains.       >       >       > The usual demonstration after introducing the repeating terminus       > and using algebra to demonstrate a fact about arithmetic,       > is good for itself, and is one of the primary simplifications       > of the linear curriculum, yet as a notation, it's natural that       > two different systems of notation can see it variously, then       > that it merely demands a sort of book-keeping, to disambiguate it.       >       > If you ever wonder why mathematics didn't have one of these,       > or, two of these as it were together, it does, and it's only       > a particular field of mathematics sort of absent the super-classical       > and infinitary reasoning, that doesn't.       >       > Then at least we got particle/wave duality as super-classical,       > then Zeno's classical expositions of the super-classical were       > just given as that the infinite limit as introduced in pre-calculus       > said we could ignore the deductive result that it really must complete,       > the geometric series.       >       >       >       >              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsGOZp7jrEY&list=PLb7rLSBiE7F4_E       POURNmVLwp-dyzjYr-&index=4              "Non-standard analysis: continuum infinitesimal analysis, and sweep"              --- SoupGate-DOS v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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