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|    Ross Finlayson to Physfitfreak    |
|    Re: The Suspicious Journals of Ross A. K    |
|    05 Apr 25 11:37:09    |
      [continued from previous message]              >>>> horizontally on the floor, in his bed. Right in the living room!       >>>>       >>>> He thought a bit about what was happening, when he found himself quite       >>>> hungry. Last time he had eaten anything was the night before he had       >>>> waken up on the summit of the magic mountain in an urban Dallas area.       >>>>       >>>> He thought to himself, "I'm going to assume that more than 48 hours has       >>>> passed since. So got up and walked to the kitchen and took a look       >>>> inside       >>>> refrigerator. There was nothing there but the cat food he had cooked on       >>>> the day he first saw the magic mountain. He got on the computer to       >>>> order       >>>> something zesty from HelloFresh. After choosing the closest to a       >>>> healthy       >>>> nice pre-agricultural food kit, he clicked, "Go to checkout" button,       >>>> after which the computer waited for a few seconds but instead of       >>>> getting       >>>> to the check out screen, a screen came up to make sure Physfit was       >>>> not a       >>>> robot. It had a simple question that he had to give it the correct       >>>> answer, otherwise food nommo.       >>>>       >>>> The question went like this:       >>>>       >>>> "In math, is there a difference between the two numbers       >>>> 0.999999...       >>>> and 1 ?"       >>>>       >>>> The digits of "9" continued forever to the right of the radix point. So       >>>> of course, Physfit clicked on the "yes" button. If there was not a       >>>> difference, then one wouldn't even bother to write 1 in that funky       >>>> form,       >>>> using an infinite series of digit 9.       >>>>       >>>> But the screen disappeared, and a message said, "You're a robot. Bye!"       >>>>       >>>> Physfit said, "Fuck!" (first of the fix number of curses Jesus had       >>>> allowed him for that day). So he took a pen and paper and started       >>>> jotting down:       >>>>       >>>> x = 0.99999....       >>>>       >>>> Therefore:       >>>>       >>>> 10x = 9.99999....       >>>>       >>>> Now he subtracted the former from the latter:       >>>>       >>>> 10x - x = 9.99999... - 0.99999...       >>>>       >>>> Which simplifies to:       >>>>       >>>> 9x = 9       >>>>       >>>> And therefore:       >>>>       >>>> x = 1       >>>>       >>>> "What the fuck??", said Physfit (his 2nd curse of the day).       >>>>       >>>> Why x which was 0.99999... and not 1, turned out to be 1? ... "       >>>>       >>>>       >>>> (end of quote)       >>>>       >>>>       >>>> So, is this problem pointing to what Kosmanson has been so keen       >>>> about? :)       >>>>       >>>>       >>>>       >>>>       >>>>       >>>       >>> Once I was reading a book or article,       >>> and was introduced the introduction of .999 (...),       >>> vis-a-vis, 1. A cohort of subjects was surveyed       >>> their opinion and belief whether .999, dot dot dot,       >>> was equal to, or less than, one. About half said       >>> same and about half said different.       >>>       >>>       >>> It's two different natural notations that happen       >>> to collide and thus result being ambiguous.       >>>       >>> So, then these days we have the laws of arithmetic       >>> introduced in primary school, usually kindergarten,       >>> about the operations on numbers, and also inequalities,       >>> and the order in numbers.       >>>       >>> Yet, even the usual account of addition and its       >>> inverse and its recursion and that's inverse,       >>> as operators, of whole numbers, has a different       >>> account, of increment on the one side, and, division       >>> on the other, sort of like the Egyptians only had       >>> division or fractions and Egyptian fractions,       >>> and tally marks are only increment, that though       >>> it was the Egyptian fractions that gave them a       >>> mathematics, beyond the simplest sort of conflation       >>> of "numbering" and "counting".       >>>       >>> So, where ".999 vis-a-vis 1" has a deconstructive account,       >>> to eliminate its ambiguities with respect to what it's       >>> to model, or the clock-arithmetic and field-arithmetic,       >>> even arithmetic has a deconstructive account, then,       >>> even numbering versus counting has a deconstructive account,       >>> to help eliminate what are the usually ignored ambiguities.       >>>       >>>       >>> So, pre-calculus, the course, goes to eliminate or talk       >>> away the case .999, dot dot dot, different 1. Yet,       >>> it can be reconstrued and reconstructed, on its own       >>> constructive account. So, it's a convention.       >>>       >>>       >>> It's "multiplicity theory", see, that any, "singularity       >>> theory", which results as of admitting only the principal       >>> branch of otherwise a "bifurcation" or "opening" or "catastrophe"       >>> or "perestroika (opening)", as they are called in mathematics,       >>> branches, that singularity theory is a multiplicity theory,       >>> yet the usual account has that it's just nothing,       >>> or that it's apeiron and asymptotic.       >>>       >>>       >>> So, there's a clock arithmetic where there's a reason why       >>> that there's a .999, dot dot dot, _before_ 1.0, in the       >>> course of passage of values from 0, to 1, and, it's also       >>> rather particularly only between 0 and 1, as what results       >>> thusly a whole, with regards to relating it to the modularity       >>> of integers, the integral moduli.       >>>       >>> Thusly, real infinity has itself correctly and constructively       >>> back in numbers for "standard infinitesimals" here called       >>> "iota-values".       >>>       >>> Then, this is totally simple and looks like f(n) = n/d,       >>> for n goes from zero to d and d goes to infinity, this       >>> is a limit of functions for this function which is not-       >>> a- real- function yet is a nonstandard function and that       >>> has real analytical character, it's a discrete function       >>> that's integrable and whose integral equals 1, it illustrates       >>> a doubling-space according to measure theory in the measure problem,       >>> it's its own anti-derivative so all the tricks about the exponential       >>> function in functional analysis have their usual methods about it,       >>> it's also a pdf and CDF of the natural integers at uniform random,       >>> of which there are others, because there are at least three laws       >>> of large numbers, at least three Cantor spaces, at least three       >>> models of continuous domains, and, at least three probability       >>> distributions of the naturals at uniform random.       >>>       >>> So, "iota-values" are not the same thing as the raw differential,       >>> which differential analysts will be very familiar with as usually       >>> not- the- raw- differential yet only as under the integral bar       >>> in the formalism, yet representing about the solidus or divisor bar       >>> the relation of two quantities algebraically, then indeed there's       >>> that "iota-values" are as of some "standard infinitesimals", yet       >>> only under the limit of function the "natural/unit equivalency function"       >>> the N/U EF, about [0,1]. This thus results a model of       >>> a continuous domain "line reals" to go along with the usual standard       >>> linear curriculum's "field reals" then furthermore later there's       >>> a "signal reals" of at least these three models of continuous domains.       >>>       >>>       >>> The usual demonstration after introducing the repeating terminus       >>> and using algebra to demonstrate a fact about arithmetic,       >>> is good for itself, and is one of the primary simplifications       >>> of the linear curriculum, yet as a notation, it's natural that       >>> two different systems of notation can see it variously, then       >>> that it merely demands a sort of book-keeping, to disambiguate it.       >>>       >>> If you ever wonder why mathematics didn't have one of these,       >>> or, two of these as it were together, it does, and it's only       >>> a particular field of mathematics sort of absent the super-classical       >>> and infinitary reasoning, that doesn't.       >>>       >>> Then at least we got particle/wave duality as super-classical,              [continued in next message]              --- SoupGate-DOS v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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