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|    Ross Finlayson to Physfitfreak    |
|    Re: The Suspicious Journals of Ross A. K    |
|    05 Apr 25 12:08:28    |
      [continued from previous message]              >>>>>> had something about Kosmanson's concerns about handling infinities.       >>>>>>       >>>>>> Here I quote the part of the blog that contained that problem:       >>>>>>       >>>>>> (beginning of the quote)       >>>>>>       >>>>>>       >>>>>> "Then, swoooooooshhshsh!.... and Jesus and all that intense light       >>>>>> went       >>>>>> back up and out of there. Physfit looked up and there wasn't even an       >>>>>> opening in the ceiling anymore. But now for some reason he was       >>>>>> horizontally on the floor, in his bed. Right in the living room!       >>>>>>       >>>>>> He thought a bit about what was happening, when he found himself       >>>>>> quite       >>>>>> hungry. Last time he had eaten anything was the night before he had       >>>>>> waken up on the summit of the magic mountain in an urban Dallas area.       >>>>>>       >>>>>> He thought to himself, "I'm going to assume that more than 48       >>>>>> hours has       >>>>>> passed since. So got up and walked to the kitchen and took a look       >>>>>> inside       >>>>>> refrigerator. There was nothing there but the cat food he had       >>>>>> cooked on       >>>>>> the day he first saw the magic mountain. He got on the computer to       >>>>>> order       >>>>>> something zesty from HelloFresh. After choosing the closest to a       >>>>>> healthy       >>>>>> nice pre-agricultural food kit, he clicked, "Go to checkout" button,       >>>>>> after which the computer waited for a few seconds but instead of       >>>>>> getting       >>>>>> to the check out screen, a screen came up to make sure Physfit was       >>>>>> not a       >>>>>> robot. It had a simple question that he had to give it the correct       >>>>>> answer, otherwise food nommo.       >>>>>>       >>>>>> The question went like this:       >>>>>>       >>>>>> "In math, is there a difference between the two numbers       >>>>>> 0.999999...       >>>>>> and 1 ?"       >>>>>>       >>>>>> The digits of "9" continued forever to the right of the radix       >>>>>> point. So       >>>>>> of course, Physfit clicked on the "yes" button. If there was not a       >>>>>> difference, then one wouldn't even bother to write 1 in that funky       >>>>>> form,       >>>>>> using an infinite series of digit 9.       >>>>>>       >>>>>> But the screen disappeared, and a message said, "You're a robot.       >>>>>> Bye!"       >>>>>>       >>>>>> Physfit said, "Fuck!" (first of the fix number of curses Jesus had       >>>>>> allowed him for that day). So he took a pen and paper and started       >>>>>> jotting down:       >>>>>>       >>>>>> x = 0.99999....       >>>>>>       >>>>>> Therefore:       >>>>>>       >>>>>> 10x = 9.99999....       >>>>>>       >>>>>> Now he subtracted the former from the latter:       >>>>>>       >>>>>> 10x - x = 9.99999... - 0.99999...       >>>>>>       >>>>>> Which simplifies to:       >>>>>>       >>>>>> 9x = 9       >>>>>>       >>>>>> And therefore:       >>>>>>       >>>>>> x = 1       >>>>>>       >>>>>> "What the fuck??", said Physfit (his 2nd curse of the day).       >>>>>>       >>>>>> Why x which was 0.99999... and not 1, turned out to be 1? ... "       >>>>>>       >>>>>>       >>>>>> (end of quote)       >>>>>>       >>>>>>       >>>>>> So, is this problem pointing to what Kosmanson has been so keen       >>>>>> about? :)       >>>>>>       >>>>>>       >>>>>>       >>>>>>       >>>>>>       >>>>>       >>>>> Once I was reading a book or article,       >>>>> and was introduced the introduction of .999 (...),       >>>>> vis-a-vis, 1. A cohort of subjects was surveyed       >>>>> their opinion and belief whether .999, dot dot dot,       >>>>> was equal to, or less than, one. About half said       >>>>> same and about half said different.       >>>>>       >>>>>       >>>>> It's two different natural notations that happen       >>>>> to collide and thus result being ambiguous.       >>>>>       >>>>> So, then these days we have the laws of arithmetic       >>>>> introduced in primary school, usually kindergarten,       >>>>> about the operations on numbers, and also inequalities,       >>>>> and the order in numbers.       >>>>>       >>>>> Yet, even the usual account of addition and its       >>>>> inverse and its recursion and that's inverse,       >>>>> as operators, of whole numbers, has a different       >>>>> account, of increment on the one side, and, division       >>>>> on the other, sort of like the Egyptians only had       >>>>> division or fractions and Egyptian fractions,       >>>>> and tally marks are only increment, that though       >>>>> it was the Egyptian fractions that gave them a       >>>>> mathematics, beyond the simplest sort of conflation       >>>>> of "numbering" and "counting".       >>>>>       >>>>> So, where ".999 vis-a-vis 1" has a deconstructive account,       >>>>> to eliminate its ambiguities with respect to what it's       >>>>> to model, or the clock-arithmetic and field-arithmetic,       >>>>> even arithmetic has a deconstructive account, then,       >>>>> even numbering versus counting has a deconstructive account,       >>>>> to help eliminate what are the usually ignored ambiguities.       >>>>>       >>>>>       >>>>> So, pre-calculus, the course, goes to eliminate or talk       >>>>> away the case .999, dot dot dot, different 1. Yet,       >>>>> it can be reconstrued and reconstructed, on its own       >>>>> constructive account. So, it's a convention.       >>>>>       >>>>>       >>>>> It's "multiplicity theory", see, that any, "singularity       >>>>> theory", which results as of admitting only the principal       >>>>> branch of otherwise a "bifurcation" or "opening" or "catastrophe"       >>>>> or "perestroika (opening)", as they are called in mathematics,       >>>>> branches, that singularity theory is a multiplicity theory,       >>>>> yet the usual account has that it's just nothing,       >>>>> or that it's apeiron and asymptotic.       >>>>>       >>>>>       >>>>> So, there's a clock arithmetic where there's a reason why       >>>>> that there's a .999, dot dot dot, _before_ 1.0, in the       >>>>> course of passage of values from 0, to 1, and, it's also       >>>>> rather particularly only between 0 and 1, as what results       >>>>> thusly a whole, with regards to relating it to the modularity       >>>>> of integers, the integral moduli.       >>>>>       >>>>> Thusly, real infinity has itself correctly and constructively       >>>>> back in numbers for "standard infinitesimals" here called       >>>>> "iota-values".       >>>>>       >>>>> Then, this is totally simple and looks like f(n) = n/d,       >>>>> for n goes from zero to d and d goes to infinity, this       >>>>> is a limit of functions for this function which is not-       >>>>> a- real- function yet is a nonstandard function and that       >>>>> has real analytical character, it's a discrete function       >>>>> that's integrable and whose integral equals 1, it illustrates       >>>>> a doubling-space according to measure theory in the measure problem,       >>>>> it's its own anti-derivative so all the tricks about the exponential       >>>>> function in functional analysis have their usual methods about it,       >>>>> it's also a pdf and CDF of the natural integers at uniform random,       >>>>> of which there are others, because there are at least three laws       >>>>> of large numbers, at least three Cantor spaces, at least three       >>>>> models of continuous domains, and, at least three probability       >>>>> distributions of the naturals at uniform random.       >>>>>       >>>>> So, "iota-values" are not the same thing as the raw differential,       >>>>> which differential analysts will be very familiar with as usually       >>>>> not- the- raw- differential yet only as under the integral bar       >>>>> in the formalism, yet representing about the solidus or divisor bar       >>>>> the relation of two quantities algebraically, then indeed there's       >>>>> that "iota-values" are as of some "standard infinitesimals", yet       >>>>> only under the limit of function the "natural/unit equivalency       >>>>> function"       >>>>> the N/U EF, about [0,1]. This thus results a model of       >>>>> a continuous domain "line reals" to go along with the usual standard       >>>>> linear curriculum's "field reals" then furthermore later there's              [continued in next message]              --- SoupGate-DOS v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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