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|    Physfitfreak to Ross Finlayson    |
|    Re: The Suspicious Journals of Ross A. K    |
|    05 Apr 25 13:59:39    |
      [continued from previous message]              >>>>> He thought a bit about what was happening, when he found himself quite       >>>>> hungry. Last time he had eaten anything was the night before he had       >>>>> waken up on the summit of the magic mountain in an urban Dallas area.       >>>>>       >>>>> He thought to himself, "I'm going to assume that more than 48 hours       >>>>> has       >>>>> passed since. So got up and walked to the kitchen and took a look       >>>>> inside       >>>>> refrigerator. There was nothing there but the cat food he had       >>>>> cooked on       >>>>> the day he first saw the magic mountain. He got on the computer to       >>>>> order       >>>>> something zesty from HelloFresh. After choosing the closest to a       >>>>> healthy       >>>>> nice pre-agricultural food kit, he clicked, "Go to checkout" button,       >>>>> after which the computer waited for a few seconds but instead of       >>>>> getting       >>>>> to the check out screen, a screen came up to make sure Physfit was       >>>>> not a       >>>>> robot. It had a simple question that he had to give it the correct       >>>>> answer, otherwise food nommo.       >>>>>       >>>>> The question went like this:       >>>>>       >>>>> "In math, is there a difference between the two numbers       >>>>> 0.999999...       >>>>> and 1 ?"       >>>>>       >>>>> The digits of "9" continued forever to the right of the radix       >>>>> point. So       >>>>> of course, Physfit clicked on the "yes" button. If there was not a       >>>>> difference, then one wouldn't even bother to write 1 in that funky       >>>>> form,       >>>>> using an infinite series of digit 9.       >>>>>       >>>>> But the screen disappeared, and a message said, "You're a robot. Bye!"       >>>>>       >>>>> Physfit said, "Fuck!" (first of the fix number of curses Jesus had       >>>>> allowed him for that day). So he took a pen and paper and started       >>>>> jotting down:       >>>>>       >>>>> x = 0.99999....       >>>>>       >>>>> Therefore:       >>>>>       >>>>> 10x = 9.99999....       >>>>>       >>>>> Now he subtracted the former from the latter:       >>>>>       >>>>> 10x - x = 9.99999... - 0.99999...       >>>>>       >>>>> Which simplifies to:       >>>>>       >>>>> 9x = 9       >>>>>       >>>>> And therefore:       >>>>>       >>>>> x = 1       >>>>>       >>>>> "What the fuck??", said Physfit (his 2nd curse of the day).       >>>>>       >>>>> Why x which was 0.99999... and not 1, turned out to be 1? ... "       >>>>>       >>>>>       >>>>> (end of quote)       >>>>>       >>>>>       >>>>> So, is this problem pointing to what Kosmanson has been so keen       >>>>> about? :)       >>>>>       >>>>>       >>>>>       >>>>>       >>>>>       >>>>       >>>> Once I was reading a book or article,       >>>> and was introduced the introduction of .999 (...),       >>>> vis-a-vis, 1. A cohort of subjects was surveyed       >>>> their opinion and belief whether .999, dot dot dot,       >>>> was equal to, or less than, one. About half said       >>>> same and about half said different.       >>>>       >>>>       >>>> It's two different natural notations that happen       >>>> to collide and thus result being ambiguous.       >>>>       >>>> So, then these days we have the laws of arithmetic       >>>> introduced in primary school, usually kindergarten,       >>>> about the operations on numbers, and also inequalities,       >>>> and the order in numbers.       >>>>       >>>> Yet, even the usual account of addition and its       >>>> inverse and its recursion and that's inverse,       >>>> as operators, of whole numbers, has a different       >>>> account, of increment on the one side, and, division       >>>> on the other, sort of like the Egyptians only had       >>>> division or fractions and Egyptian fractions,       >>>> and tally marks are only increment, that though       >>>> it was the Egyptian fractions that gave them a       >>>> mathematics, beyond the simplest sort of conflation       >>>> of "numbering" and "counting".       >>>>       >>>> So, where ".999 vis-a-vis 1" has a deconstructive account,       >>>> to eliminate its ambiguities with respect to what it's       >>>> to model, or the clock-arithmetic and field-arithmetic,       >>>> even arithmetic has a deconstructive account, then,       >>>> even numbering versus counting has a deconstructive account,       >>>> to help eliminate what are the usually ignored ambiguities.       >>>>       >>>>       >>>> So, pre-calculus, the course, goes to eliminate or talk       >>>> away the case .999, dot dot dot, different 1. Yet,       >>>> it can be reconstrued and reconstructed, on its own       >>>> constructive account. So, it's a convention.       >>>>       >>>>       >>>> It's "multiplicity theory", see, that any, "singularity       >>>> theory", which results as of admitting only the principal       >>>> branch of otherwise a "bifurcation" or "opening" or "catastrophe"       >>>> or "perestroika (opening)", as they are called in mathematics,       >>>> branches, that singularity theory is a multiplicity theory,       >>>> yet the usual account has that it's just nothing,       >>>> or that it's apeiron and asymptotic.       >>>>       >>>>       >>>> So, there's a clock arithmetic where there's a reason why       >>>> that there's a .999, dot dot dot, _before_ 1.0, in the       >>>> course of passage of values from 0, to 1, and, it's also       >>>> rather particularly only between 0 and 1, as what results       >>>> thusly a whole, with regards to relating it to the modularity       >>>> of integers, the integral moduli.       >>>>       >>>> Thusly, real infinity has itself correctly and constructively       >>>> back in numbers for "standard infinitesimals" here called       >>>> "iota-values".       >>>>       >>>> Then, this is totally simple and looks like f(n) = n/d,       >>>> for n goes from zero to d and d goes to infinity, this       >>>> is a limit of functions for this function which is not-       >>>> a- real- function yet is a nonstandard function and that       >>>> has real analytical character, it's a discrete function       >>>> that's integrable and whose integral equals 1, it illustrates       >>>> a doubling-space according to measure theory in the measure problem,       >>>> it's its own anti-derivative so all the tricks about the exponential       >>>> function in functional analysis have their usual methods about it,       >>>> it's also a pdf and CDF of the natural integers at uniform random,       >>>> of which there are others, because there are at least three laws       >>>> of large numbers, at least three Cantor spaces, at least three       >>>> models of continuous domains, and, at least three probability       >>>> distributions of the naturals at uniform random.       >>>>       >>>> So, "iota-values" are not the same thing as the raw differential,       >>>> which differential analysts will be very familiar with as usually       >>>> not- the- raw- differential yet only as under the integral bar       >>>> in the formalism, yet representing about the solidus or divisor bar       >>>> the relation of two quantities algebraically, then indeed there's       >>>> that "iota-values" are as of some "standard infinitesimals", yet       >>>> only under the limit of function the "natural/unit equivalency       >>>> function"       >>>> the N/U EF, about [0,1]. This thus results a model of       >>>> a continuous domain "line reals" to go along with the usual standard       >>>> linear curriculum's "field reals" then furthermore later there's       >>>> a "signal reals" of at least these three models of continuous domains.       >>>>       >>>>       >>>> The usual demonstration after introducing the repeating terminus       >>>> and using algebra to demonstrate a fact about arithmetic,       >>>> is good for itself, and is one of the primary simplifications       >>>> of the linear curriculum, yet as a notation, it's natural that       >>>> two different systems of notation can see it variously, then       >>>> that it merely demands a sort of book-keeping, to disambiguate it.       >>>>       >>>> If you ever wonder why mathematics didn't have one of these,       >>>> or, two of these as it were together, it does, and it's only       >>>> a particular field of mathematics sort of absent the super-classical              [continued in next message]              --- SoupGate-DOS v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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