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|    Physfitfreak to Ross Finlayson    |
|    Re: The Suspicious Journals of Ross A. K    |
|    05 Apr 25 15:48:38    |
      [continued from previous message]              >>>>>>>>> A note about Kosmanson's emphasis on what's often truncated in an       >>>>>>>>> infinite series. A year or so back I was forming baby problems       >>>>>>>>> in a       >>>>>>>>> blog       >>>>>>>>> for a Linux newsgroup frequenters to solve, and in one of them one       >>>>>>>>> would       >>>>>>>>> begin with a correct equation, would make correct changes in it,       >>>>>>>>> but       >>>>>>>>> would end up in an obviously wrong equation :) Nobody solved it of       >>>>>>>>> course (audience were mostly morons). But I now wonder if that       >>>>>>>>> problem       >>>>>>>>> had something about Kosmanson's concerns about handling       >>>>>>>>> infinities.       >>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>> Here I quote the part of the blog that contained that problem:       >>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>> (beginning of the quote)       >>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>> "Then, swoooooooshhshsh!.... and Jesus and all that intense       >>>>>>>>> light       >>>>>>>>> went       >>>>>>>>> back up and out of there. Physfit looked up and there wasn't       >>>>>>>>> even an       >>>>>>>>> opening in the ceiling anymore. But now for some reason he was       >>>>>>>>> horizontally on the floor, in his bed. Right in the living room!       >>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>> He thought a bit about what was happening, when he found himself       >>>>>>>>> quite       >>>>>>>>> hungry. Last time he had eaten anything was the night before he       >>>>>>>>> had       >>>>>>>>> waken up on the summit of the magic mountain in an urban Dallas       >>>>>>>>> area.       >>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>> He thought to himself, "I'm going to assume that more than 48       >>>>>>>>> hours has       >>>>>>>>> passed since. So got up and walked to the kitchen and took a look       >>>>>>>>> inside       >>>>>>>>> refrigerator. There was nothing there but the cat food he had       >>>>>>>>> cooked on       >>>>>>>>> the day he first saw the magic mountain. He got on the computer to       >>>>>>>>> order       >>>>>>>>> something zesty from HelloFresh. After choosing the closest to a       >>>>>>>>> healthy       >>>>>>>>> nice pre-agricultural food kit, he clicked, "Go to checkout"       >>>>>>>>> button,       >>>>>>>>> after which the computer waited for a few seconds but instead of       >>>>>>>>> getting       >>>>>>>>> to the check out screen, a screen came up to make sure Physfit was       >>>>>>>>> not a       >>>>>>>>> robot. It had a simple question that he had to give it the correct       >>>>>>>>> answer, otherwise food nommo.       >>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>> The question went like this:       >>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>> "In math, is there a difference between the two numbers       >>>>>>>>> 0.999999...       >>>>>>>>> and 1 ?"       >>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>> The digits of "9" continued forever to the right of the radix       >>>>>>>>> point. So       >>>>>>>>> of course, Physfit clicked on the "yes" button. If there was not a       >>>>>>>>> difference, then one wouldn't even bother to write 1 in that funky       >>>>>>>>> form,       >>>>>>>>> using an infinite series of digit 9.       >>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>> But the screen disappeared, and a message said, "You're a robot.       >>>>>>>>> Bye!"       >>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>> Physfit said, "Fuck!" (first of the fix number of curses Jesus had       >>>>>>>>> allowed him for that day). So he took a pen and paper and started       >>>>>>>>> jotting down:       >>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>> x = 0.99999....       >>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>> Therefore:       >>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>> 10x = 9.99999....       >>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>> Now he subtracted the former from the latter:       >>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>> 10x - x = 9.99999... - 0.99999...       >>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>> Which simplifies to:       >>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>> 9x = 9       >>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>> And therefore:       >>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>> x = 1       >>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>> "What the fuck??", said Physfit (his 2nd curse of the day).       >>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>> Why x which was 0.99999... and not 1, turned out to be 1? ... "       >>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>> (end of quote)       >>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>> So, is this problem pointing to what Kosmanson has been so keen       >>>>>>>>> about? :)       >>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>> Once I was reading a book or article,       >>>>>>>> and was introduced the introduction of .999 (...),       >>>>>>>> vis-a-vis, 1. A cohort of subjects was surveyed       >>>>>>>> their opinion and belief whether .999, dot dot dot,       >>>>>>>> was equal to, or less than, one. About half said       >>>>>>>> same and about half said different.       >>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>> It's two different natural notations that happen       >>>>>>>> to collide and thus result being ambiguous.       >>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>> So, then these days we have the laws of arithmetic       >>>>>>>> introduced in primary school, usually kindergarten,       >>>>>>>> about the operations on numbers, and also inequalities,       >>>>>>>> and the order in numbers.       >>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>> Yet, even the usual account of addition and its       >>>>>>>> inverse and its recursion and that's inverse,       >>>>>>>> as operators, of whole numbers, has a different       >>>>>>>> account, of increment on the one side, and, division       >>>>>>>> on the other, sort of like the Egyptians only had       >>>>>>>> division or fractions and Egyptian fractions,       >>>>>>>> and tally marks are only increment, that though       >>>>>>>> it was the Egyptian fractions that gave them a       >>>>>>>> mathematics, beyond the simplest sort of conflation       >>>>>>>> of "numbering" and "counting".       >>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>> So, where ".999 vis-a-vis 1" has a deconstructive account,       >>>>>>>> to eliminate its ambiguities with respect to what it's       >>>>>>>> to model, or the clock-arithmetic and field-arithmetic,       >>>>>>>> even arithmetic has a deconstructive account, then,       >>>>>>>> even numbering versus counting has a deconstructive account,       >>>>>>>> to help eliminate what are the usually ignored ambiguities.       >>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>> So, pre-calculus, the course, goes to eliminate or talk       >>>>>>>> away the case .999, dot dot dot, different 1. Yet,       >>>>>>>> it can be reconstrued and reconstructed, on its own       >>>>>>>> constructive account. So, it's a convention.       >>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>> It's "multiplicity theory", see, that any, "singularity       >>>>>>>> theory", which results as of admitting only the principal       >>>>>>>> branch of otherwise a "bifurcation" or "opening" or "catastrophe"       >>>>>>>> or "perestroika (opening)", as they are called in mathematics,       >>>>>>>> branches, that singularity theory is a multiplicity theory,       >>>>>>>> yet the usual account has that it's just nothing,       >>>>>>>> or that it's apeiron and asymptotic.       >>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>> So, there's a clock arithmetic where there's a reason why       >>>>>>>> that there's a .999, dot dot dot, _before_ 1.0, in the       >>>>>>>> course of passage of values from 0, to 1, and, it's also       >>>>>>>> rather particularly only between 0 and 1, as what results       >>>>>>>> thusly a whole, with regards to relating it to the modularity       >>>>>>>> of integers, the integral moduli.       >>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>> Thusly, real infinity has itself correctly and constructively       >>>>>>>> back in numbers for "standard infinitesimals" here called       >>>>>>>> "iota-values".       >>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>> Then, this is totally simple and looks like f(n) = n/d,       >>>>>>>> for n goes from zero to d and d goes to infinity, this       >>>>>>>> is a limit of functions for this function which is not-       >>>>>>>> a- real- function yet is a nonstandard function and that       >>>>>>>> has real analytical character, it's a discrete function       >>>>>>>> that's integrable and whose integral equals 1, it illustrates       >>>>>>>> a doubling-space according to measure theory in the measure       >>>>>>>> problem,       >>>>>>>> it's its own anti-derivative so all the tricks about the       >>>>>>>> exponential              [continued in next message]              --- SoupGate-DOS v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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