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|    Ross Finlayson to Physfitfreak    |
|    Re: The Suspicious Journals of Ross A. K    |
|    05 Apr 25 12:48:48    |
      [continued from previous message]              >>>>>>>> A note about Kosmanson's emphasis on what's often truncated in an       >>>>>>>> infinite series. A year or so back I was forming baby problems in a       >>>>>>>> blog       >>>>>>>> for a Linux newsgroup frequenters to solve, and in one of them one       >>>>>>>> would       >>>>>>>> begin with a correct equation, would make correct changes in it,       >>>>>>>> but       >>>>>>>> would end up in an obviously wrong equation :) Nobody solved it of       >>>>>>>> course (audience were mostly morons). But I now wonder if that       >>>>>>>> problem       >>>>>>>> had something about Kosmanson's concerns about handling infinities.       >>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>> Here I quote the part of the blog that contained that problem:       >>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>> (beginning of the quote)       >>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>> "Then, swoooooooshhshsh!.... and Jesus and all that intense       >>>>>>>> light       >>>>>>>> went       >>>>>>>> back up and out of there. Physfit looked up and there wasn't       >>>>>>>> even an       >>>>>>>> opening in the ceiling anymore. But now for some reason he was       >>>>>>>> horizontally on the floor, in his bed. Right in the living room!       >>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>> He thought a bit about what was happening, when he found himself       >>>>>>>> quite       >>>>>>>> hungry. Last time he had eaten anything was the night before he had       >>>>>>>> waken up on the summit of the magic mountain in an urban Dallas       >>>>>>>> area.       >>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>> He thought to himself, "I'm going to assume that more than 48       >>>>>>>> hours has       >>>>>>>> passed since. So got up and walked to the kitchen and took a look       >>>>>>>> inside       >>>>>>>> refrigerator. There was nothing there but the cat food he had       >>>>>>>> cooked on       >>>>>>>> the day he first saw the magic mountain. He got on the computer to       >>>>>>>> order       >>>>>>>> something zesty from HelloFresh. After choosing the closest to a       >>>>>>>> healthy       >>>>>>>> nice pre-agricultural food kit, he clicked, "Go to checkout"       >>>>>>>> button,       >>>>>>>> after which the computer waited for a few seconds but instead of       >>>>>>>> getting       >>>>>>>> to the check out screen, a screen came up to make sure Physfit was       >>>>>>>> not a       >>>>>>>> robot. It had a simple question that he had to give it the correct       >>>>>>>> answer, otherwise food nommo.       >>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>> The question went like this:       >>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>> "In math, is there a difference between the two numbers       >>>>>>>> 0.999999...       >>>>>>>> and 1 ?"       >>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>> The digits of "9" continued forever to the right of the radix       >>>>>>>> point. So       >>>>>>>> of course, Physfit clicked on the "yes" button. If there was not a       >>>>>>>> difference, then one wouldn't even bother to write 1 in that funky       >>>>>>>> form,       >>>>>>>> using an infinite series of digit 9.       >>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>> But the screen disappeared, and a message said, "You're a robot.       >>>>>>>> Bye!"       >>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>> Physfit said, "Fuck!" (first of the fix number of curses Jesus had       >>>>>>>> allowed him for that day). So he took a pen and paper and started       >>>>>>>> jotting down:       >>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>> x = 0.99999....       >>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>> Therefore:       >>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>> 10x = 9.99999....       >>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>> Now he subtracted the former from the latter:       >>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>> 10x - x = 9.99999... - 0.99999...       >>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>> Which simplifies to:       >>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>> 9x = 9       >>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>> And therefore:       >>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>> x = 1       >>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>> "What the fuck??", said Physfit (his 2nd curse of the day).       >>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>> Why x which was 0.99999... and not 1, turned out to be 1? ... "       >>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>> (end of quote)       >>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>> So, is this problem pointing to what Kosmanson has been so keen       >>>>>>>> about? :)       >>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>       >>>>>>> Once I was reading a book or article,       >>>>>>> and was introduced the introduction of .999 (...),       >>>>>>> vis-a-vis, 1. A cohort of subjects was surveyed       >>>>>>> their opinion and belief whether .999, dot dot dot,       >>>>>>> was equal to, or less than, one. About half said       >>>>>>> same and about half said different.       >>>>>>>       >>>>>>>       >>>>>>> It's two different natural notations that happen       >>>>>>> to collide and thus result being ambiguous.       >>>>>>>       >>>>>>> So, then these days we have the laws of arithmetic       >>>>>>> introduced in primary school, usually kindergarten,       >>>>>>> about the operations on numbers, and also inequalities,       >>>>>>> and the order in numbers.       >>>>>>>       >>>>>>> Yet, even the usual account of addition and its       >>>>>>> inverse and its recursion and that's inverse,       >>>>>>> as operators, of whole numbers, has a different       >>>>>>> account, of increment on the one side, and, division       >>>>>>> on the other, sort of like the Egyptians only had       >>>>>>> division or fractions and Egyptian fractions,       >>>>>>> and tally marks are only increment, that though       >>>>>>> it was the Egyptian fractions that gave them a       >>>>>>> mathematics, beyond the simplest sort of conflation       >>>>>>> of "numbering" and "counting".       >>>>>>>       >>>>>>> So, where ".999 vis-a-vis 1" has a deconstructive account,       >>>>>>> to eliminate its ambiguities with respect to what it's       >>>>>>> to model, or the clock-arithmetic and field-arithmetic,       >>>>>>> even arithmetic has a deconstructive account, then,       >>>>>>> even numbering versus counting has a deconstructive account,       >>>>>>> to help eliminate what are the usually ignored ambiguities.       >>>>>>>       >>>>>>>       >>>>>>> So, pre-calculus, the course, goes to eliminate or talk       >>>>>>> away the case .999, dot dot dot, different 1. Yet,       >>>>>>> it can be reconstrued and reconstructed, on its own       >>>>>>> constructive account. So, it's a convention.       >>>>>>>       >>>>>>>       >>>>>>> It's "multiplicity theory", see, that any, "singularity       >>>>>>> theory", which results as of admitting only the principal       >>>>>>> branch of otherwise a "bifurcation" or "opening" or "catastrophe"       >>>>>>> or "perestroika (opening)", as they are called in mathematics,       >>>>>>> branches, that singularity theory is a multiplicity theory,       >>>>>>> yet the usual account has that it's just nothing,       >>>>>>> or that it's apeiron and asymptotic.       >>>>>>>       >>>>>>>       >>>>>>> So, there's a clock arithmetic where there's a reason why       >>>>>>> that there's a .999, dot dot dot, _before_ 1.0, in the       >>>>>>> course of passage of values from 0, to 1, and, it's also       >>>>>>> rather particularly only between 0 and 1, as what results       >>>>>>> thusly a whole, with regards to relating it to the modularity       >>>>>>> of integers, the integral moduli.       >>>>>>>       >>>>>>> Thusly, real infinity has itself correctly and constructively       >>>>>>> back in numbers for "standard infinitesimals" here called       >>>>>>> "iota-values".       >>>>>>>       >>>>>>> Then, this is totally simple and looks like f(n) = n/d,       >>>>>>> for n goes from zero to d and d goes to infinity, this       >>>>>>> is a limit of functions for this function which is not-       >>>>>>> a- real- function yet is a nonstandard function and that       >>>>>>> has real analytical character, it's a discrete function       >>>>>>> that's integrable and whose integral equals 1, it illustrates       >>>>>>> a doubling-space according to measure theory in the measure problem,       >>>>>>> it's its own anti-derivative so all the tricks about the exponential       >>>>>>> function in functional analysis have their usual methods about it,       >>>>>>> it's also a pdf and CDF of the natural integers at uniform random,       >>>>>>> of which there are others, because there are at least three laws       >>>>>>> of large numbers, at least three Cantor spaces, at least three              [continued in next message]              --- SoupGate-DOS v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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