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|    Physfitfreak to Physfitfreak    |
|    Re: The Suspicious Journals of Ross A. K    |
|    05 Apr 25 21:31:12    |
      [continued from previous message]              >>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, I imagine if you let Kosmanson go on then there'd       >>>>>>>>>>> be quite more to it.       >>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>> A note about Kosmanson's emphasis on what's often truncated in an       >>>>>>>>>> infinite series. A year or so back I was forming baby problems       >>>>>>>>>> in a       >>>>>>>>>> blog       >>>>>>>>>> for a Linux newsgroup frequenters to solve, and in one of them       >>>>>>>>>> one       >>>>>>>>>> would       >>>>>>>>>> begin with a correct equation, would make correct changes in it,       >>>>>>>>>> but       >>>>>>>>>> would end up in an obviously wrong equation :) Nobody solved       >>>>>>>>>> it of       >>>>>>>>>> course (audience were mostly morons). But I now wonder if that       >>>>>>>>>> problem       >>>>>>>>>> had something about Kosmanson's concerns about handling       >>>>>>>>>> infinities.       >>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>> Here I quote the part of the blog that contained that problem:       >>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>> (beginning of the quote)       >>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>> "Then, swoooooooshhshsh!.... and Jesus and all that intense       >>>>>>>>>> light       >>>>>>>>>> went       >>>>>>>>>> back up and out of there. Physfit looked up and there wasn't       >>>>>>>>>> even an       >>>>>>>>>> opening in the ceiling anymore. But now for some reason he was       >>>>>>>>>> horizontally on the floor, in his bed. Right in the living room!       >>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>> He thought a bit about what was happening, when he found himself       >>>>>>>>>> quite       >>>>>>>>>> hungry. Last time he had eaten anything was the night before       >>>>>>>>>> he had       >>>>>>>>>> waken up on the summit of the magic mountain in an urban Dallas       >>>>>>>>>> area.       >>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>> He thought to himself, "I'm going to assume that more than 48       >>>>>>>>>> hours has       >>>>>>>>>> passed since. So got up and walked to the kitchen and took a look       >>>>>>>>>> inside       >>>>>>>>>> refrigerator. There was nothing there but the cat food he had       >>>>>>>>>> cooked on       >>>>>>>>>> the day he first saw the magic mountain. He got on the       >>>>>>>>>> computer to       >>>>>>>>>> order       >>>>>>>>>> something zesty from HelloFresh. After choosing the closest to a       >>>>>>>>>> healthy       >>>>>>>>>> nice pre-agricultural food kit, he clicked, "Go to checkout"       >>>>>>>>>> button,       >>>>>>>>>> after which the computer waited for a few seconds but instead of       >>>>>>>>>> getting       >>>>>>>>>> to the check out screen, a screen came up to make sure Physfit       >>>>>>>>>> was       >>>>>>>>>> not a       >>>>>>>>>> robot. It had a simple question that he had to give it the       >>>>>>>>>> correct       >>>>>>>>>> answer, otherwise food nommo.       >>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>> The question went like this:       >>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>> "In math, is there a difference between the two numbers       >>>>>>>>>> 0.999999...       >>>>>>>>>> and 1 ?"       >>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>> The digits of "9" continued forever to the right of the radix       >>>>>>>>>> point. So       >>>>>>>>>> of course, Physfit clicked on the "yes" button. If there was       >>>>>>>>>> not a       >>>>>>>>>> difference, then one wouldn't even bother to write 1 in that       >>>>>>>>>> funky       >>>>>>>>>> form,       >>>>>>>>>> using an infinite series of digit 9.       >>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>> But the screen disappeared, and a message said, "You're a robot.       >>>>>>>>>> Bye!"       >>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>> Physfit said, "Fuck!" (first of the fix number of curses Jesus       >>>>>>>>>> had       >>>>>>>>>> allowed him for that day). So he took a pen and paper and started       >>>>>>>>>> jotting down:       >>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>> x = 0.99999....       >>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>> Therefore:       >>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>> 10x = 9.99999....       >>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>> Now he subtracted the former from the latter:       >>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>> 10x - x = 9.99999... - 0.99999...       >>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>> Which simplifies to:       >>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>> 9x = 9       >>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>> And therefore:       >>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>> x = 1       >>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>> "What the fuck??", said Physfit (his 2nd curse of the day).       >>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>> Why x which was 0.99999... and not 1, turned out to be 1? ... "       >>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>> (end of quote)       >>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>> So, is this problem pointing to what Kosmanson has been so keen       >>>>>>>>>> about? :)       >>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>> Once I was reading a book or article,       >>>>>>>>> and was introduced the introduction of .999 (...),       >>>>>>>>> vis-a-vis, 1. A cohort of subjects was surveyed       >>>>>>>>> their opinion and belief whether .999, dot dot dot,       >>>>>>>>> was equal to, or less than, one. About half said       >>>>>>>>> same and about half said different.       >>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>> It's two different natural notations that happen       >>>>>>>>> to collide and thus result being ambiguous.       >>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>> So, then these days we have the laws of arithmetic       >>>>>>>>> introduced in primary school, usually kindergarten,       >>>>>>>>> about the operations on numbers, and also inequalities,       >>>>>>>>> and the order in numbers.       >>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>> Yet, even the usual account of addition and its       >>>>>>>>> inverse and its recursion and that's inverse,       >>>>>>>>> as operators, of whole numbers, has a different       >>>>>>>>> account, of increment on the one side, and, division       >>>>>>>>> on the other, sort of like the Egyptians only had       >>>>>>>>> division or fractions and Egyptian fractions,       >>>>>>>>> and tally marks are only increment, that though       >>>>>>>>> it was the Egyptian fractions that gave them a       >>>>>>>>> mathematics, beyond the simplest sort of conflation       >>>>>>>>> of "numbering" and "counting".       >>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>> So, where ".999 vis-a-vis 1" has a deconstructive account,       >>>>>>>>> to eliminate its ambiguities with respect to what it's       >>>>>>>>> to model, or the clock-arithmetic and field-arithmetic,       >>>>>>>>> even arithmetic has a deconstructive account, then,       >>>>>>>>> even numbering versus counting has a deconstructive account,       >>>>>>>>> to help eliminate what are the usually ignored ambiguities.       >>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>> So, pre-calculus, the course, goes to eliminate or talk       >>>>>>>>> away the case .999, dot dot dot, different 1. Yet,       >>>>>>>>> it can be reconstrued and reconstructed, on its own       >>>>>>>>> constructive account. So, it's a convention.       >>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>> It's "multiplicity theory", see, that any, "singularity       >>>>>>>>> theory", which results as of admitting only the principal       >>>>>>>>> branch of otherwise a "bifurcation" or "opening" or "catastrophe"       >>>>>>>>> or "perestroika (opening)", as they are called in mathematics,       >>>>>>>>> branches, that singularity theory is a multiplicity theory,       >>>>>>>>> yet the usual account has that it's just nothing,       >>>>>>>>> or that it's apeiron and asymptotic.       >>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>> So, there's a clock arithmetic where there's a reason why       >>>>>>>>> that there's a .999, dot dot dot, _before_ 1.0, in the       >>>>>>>>> course of passage of values from 0, to 1, and, it's also       >>>>>>>>> rather particularly only between 0 and 1, as what results       >>>>>>>>> thusly a whole, with regards to relating it to the modularity       >>>>>>>>> of integers, the integral moduli.       >>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>> Thusly, real infinity has itself correctly and constructively       >>>>>>>>> back in numbers for "standard infinitesimals" here called       >>>>>>>>> "iota-values".       >>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>> Then, this is totally simple and looks like f(n) = n/d,       >>>>>>>>> for n goes from zero to d and d goes to infinity, this       >>>>>>>>> is a limit of functions for this function which is not-              [continued in next message]              --- SoupGate-DOS v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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