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|    Physfitfreak to Physfitfreak    |
|    Re: The Suspicious Journals of Ross A. K    |
|    05 Apr 25 22:30:18    |
      [continued from previous message]              >>>>>>>>>>>>>> have for wider reason and itself rationality, that the       >>>>>>>>>>>>>> repleteness       >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of their completeness, has a pre-Cartesian "only-diagonal"       >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and       >>>>>>>>>>>>>> then for that the rationals are HUGE, keeping it then       >>>>>>>>>>>>>> altogether       >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that in extra-ordinary foundations of mathematics, a MODERN       >>>>>>>>>>>>>> mathematics,       >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that it rescues modern mathematics from blindness (in its       >>>>>>>>>>>>>> dumbness).       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you didn't play Zork in the 80's then I suppose you       >>>>>>>>>>>>>> weren't around or didn't have a computer or didn't have       >>>>>>>>>>>>>> a copy of Zork. It's a text-based adventure.       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, I suppose there may be other reasons, though here there's       >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that all the reasons and none sort of result at least one.       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, I imagine if you let Kosmanson go on then there'd       >>>>>>>>>>>>>> be quite more to it.       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>>>> A note about Kosmanson's emphasis on what's often truncated       >>>>>>>>>>>>> in an       >>>>>>>>>>>>> infinite series. A year or so back I was forming baby       >>>>>>>>>>>>> problems in a       >>>>>>>>>>>>> blog       >>>>>>>>>>>>> for a Linux newsgroup frequenters to solve, and in one of       >>>>>>>>>>>>> them one       >>>>>>>>>>>>> would       >>>>>>>>>>>>> begin with a correct equation, would make correct changes       >>>>>>>>>>>>> in it,       >>>>>>>>>>>>> but       >>>>>>>>>>>>> would end up in an obviously wrong equation :) Nobody       >>>>>>>>>>>>> solved it of       >>>>>>>>>>>>> course (audience were mostly morons). But I now wonder if that       >>>>>>>>>>>>> problem       >>>>>>>>>>>>> had something about Kosmanson's concerns about handling       >>>>>>>>>>>>> infinities.       >>>>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>>>> Here I quote the part of the blog that contained that problem:       >>>>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>>>> (beginning of the quote)       >>>>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>>>> "Then, swoooooooshhshsh!.... and Jesus and all that intense       >>>>>>>>>>>>> light       >>>>>>>>>>>>> went       >>>>>>>>>>>>> back up and out of there. Physfit looked up and there wasn't       >>>>>>>>>>>>> even an       >>>>>>>>>>>>> opening in the ceiling anymore. But now for some reason he was       >>>>>>>>>>>>> horizontally on the floor, in his bed. Right in the living       >>>>>>>>>>>>> room!       >>>>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>>>> He thought a bit about what was happening, when he found       >>>>>>>>>>>>> himself       >>>>>>>>>>>>> quite       >>>>>>>>>>>>> hungry. Last time he had eaten anything was the night       >>>>>>>>>>>>> before he had       >>>>>>>>>>>>> waken up on the summit of the magic mountain in an urban       >>>>>>>>>>>>> Dallas       >>>>>>>>>>>>> area.       >>>>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>>>> He thought to himself, "I'm going to assume that more than 48       >>>>>>>>>>>>> hours has       >>>>>>>>>>>>> passed since. So got up and walked to the kitchen and took       >>>>>>>>>>>>> a look       >>>>>>>>>>>>> inside       >>>>>>>>>>>>> refrigerator. There was nothing there but the cat food he had       >>>>>>>>>>>>> cooked on       >>>>>>>>>>>>> the day he first saw the magic mountain. He got on the       >>>>>>>>>>>>> computer to       >>>>>>>>>>>>> order       >>>>>>>>>>>>> something zesty from HelloFresh. After choosing the closest       >>>>>>>>>>>>> to a       >>>>>>>>>>>>> healthy       >>>>>>>>>>>>> nice pre-agricultural food kit, he clicked, "Go to checkout"       >>>>>>>>>>>>> button,       >>>>>>>>>>>>> after which the computer waited for a few seconds but       >>>>>>>>>>>>> instead of       >>>>>>>>>>>>> getting       >>>>>>>>>>>>> to the check out screen, a screen came up to make sure       >>>>>>>>>>>>> Physfit was       >>>>>>>>>>>>> not a       >>>>>>>>>>>>> robot. It had a simple question that he had to give it the       >>>>>>>>>>>>> correct       >>>>>>>>>>>>> answer, otherwise food nommo.       >>>>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>>>> The question went like this:       >>>>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>>>> "In math, is there a difference between the two numbers       >>>>>>>>>>>>> 0.999999...       >>>>>>>>>>>>> and 1 ?"       >>>>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>>>> The digits of "9" continued forever to the right of the radix       >>>>>>>>>>>>> point. So       >>>>>>>>>>>>> of course, Physfit clicked on the "yes" button. If there       >>>>>>>>>>>>> was not a       >>>>>>>>>>>>> difference, then one wouldn't even bother to write 1 in       >>>>>>>>>>>>> that funky       >>>>>>>>>>>>> form,       >>>>>>>>>>>>> using an infinite series of digit 9.       >>>>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>>>> But the screen disappeared, and a message said, "You're a       >>>>>>>>>>>>> robot.       >>>>>>>>>>>>> Bye!"       >>>>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>>>> Physfit said, "Fuck!" (first of the fix number of curses       >>>>>>>>>>>>> Jesus had       >>>>>>>>>>>>> allowed him for that day). So he took a pen and paper and       >>>>>>>>>>>>> started       >>>>>>>>>>>>> jotting down:       >>>>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>>>> x = 0.99999....       >>>>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>>>> Therefore:       >>>>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>>>> 10x = 9.99999....       >>>>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>>>> Now he subtracted the former from the latter:       >>>>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>>>> 10x - x = 9.99999... - 0.99999...       >>>>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>>>> Which simplifies to:       >>>>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>>>> 9x = 9       >>>>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>>>> And therefore:       >>>>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>>>> x = 1       >>>>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>>>> "What the fuck??", said Physfit (his 2nd curse of the day).       >>>>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>>>> Why x which was 0.99999... and not 1, turned out to be 1?       >>>>>>>>>>>>> ... "       >>>>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>>>> (end of quote)       >>>>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>>>> So, is this problem pointing to what Kosmanson has been so       >>>>>>>>>>>>> keen       >>>>>>>>>>>>> about? :)       >>>>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>>> Once I was reading a book or article,       >>>>>>>>>>>> and was introduced the introduction of .999 (...),       >>>>>>>>>>>> vis-a-vis, 1. A cohort of subjects was surveyed       >>>>>>>>>>>> their opinion and belief whether .999, dot dot dot,       >>>>>>>>>>>> was equal to, or less than, one. About half said       >>>>>>>>>>>> same and about half said different.       >>>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>>> It's two different natural notations that happen       >>>>>>>>>>>> to collide and thus result being ambiguous.       >>>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>>> So, then these days we have the laws of arithmetic       >>>>>>>>>>>> introduced in primary school, usually kindergarten,       >>>>>>>>>>>> about the operations on numbers, and also inequalities,       >>>>>>>>>>>> and the order in numbers.       >>>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>>> Yet, even the usual account of addition and its       >>>>>>>>>>>> inverse and its recursion and that's inverse,       >>>>>>>>>>>> as operators, of whole numbers, has a different       >>>>>>>>>>>> account, of increment on the one side, and, division       >>>>>>>>>>>> on the other, sort of like the Egyptians only had       >>>>>>>>>>>> division or fractions and Egyptian fractions,       >>>>>>>>>>>> and tally marks are only increment, that though       >>>>>>>>>>>> it was the Egyptian fractions that gave them a       >>>>>>>>>>>> mathematics, beyond the simplest sort of conflation       >>>>>>>>>>>> of "numbering" and "counting".       >>>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>>> So, where ".999 vis-a-vis 1" has a deconstructive account,       >>>>>>>>>>>> to eliminate its ambiguities with respect to what it's       >>>>>>>>>>>> to model, or the clock-arithmetic and field-arithmetic,       >>>>>>>>>>>> even arithmetic has a deconstructive account, then,       >>>>>>>>>>>> even numbering versus counting has a deconstructive account,              [continued in next message]              --- SoupGate-DOS v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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