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|    Ross Finlayson to Physfitfreak    |
|    Re: The Suspicious Journals of Ross A. K    |
|    06 Apr 25 18:45:25    |
      [continued from previous message]              >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> while       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> others are dots to connect in what must otherwise be       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not-particles.       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (... Which are valleys or ridges among waves and it's       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> falsifiable       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and demonstrable effects about and around them, or,       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Feynman on       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Stern-Gerlach apparatus demands a continuum mechanics.)       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> About continuity and line-drawing [0, 1], of course it's       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the very oldest of notions and one of Aristotle's       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> continua,       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that there are at least three models of mathematical       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> continuous       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> domains, that, each with with their own regularity and       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ruliality       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of completeness, yet each to each other beyond an inductive       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> impasse,       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have for wider reason and itself rationality, that the       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> repleteness       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of their completeness, has a pre-Cartesian       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "only-diagonal" and       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then for that the rationals are HUGE, keeping it then       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> altogether       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that in extra-ordinary foundations of mathematics, a MODERN       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mathematics,       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that it rescues modern mathematics from blindness (in its       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dumbness).       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you didn't play Zork in the 80's then I suppose you       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> weren't around or didn't have a computer or didn't have       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a copy of Zork. It's a text-based adventure.       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, I suppose there may be other reasons, though here       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there's       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that all the reasons and none sort of result at least one.       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, I imagine if you let Kosmanson go on then there'd       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be quite more to it.       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A note about Kosmanson's emphasis on what's often       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> truncated in an       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> infinite series. A year or so back I was forming baby       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> problems in a       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blog       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for a Linux newsgroup frequenters to solve, and in one of       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them one       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> begin with a correct equation, would make correct changes       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in it,       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would end up in an obviously wrong equation :) Nobody       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> solved it of       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> course (audience were mostly morons). But I now wonder if       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> problem       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had something about Kosmanson's concerns about handling       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> infinities.       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here I quote the part of the blog that contained that       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> problem:       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (beginning of the quote)       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Then, swoooooooshhshsh!.... and Jesus and all that       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> intense       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> light       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> went       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> back up and out of there. Physfit looked up and there wasn't       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even an       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> opening in the ceiling anymore. But now for some reason       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he was       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> horizontally on the floor, in his bed. Right in the       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> living room!       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He thought a bit about what was happening, when he found       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> himself       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quite       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hungry. Last time he had eaten anything was the night       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> before he had       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> waken up on the summit of the magic mountain in an urban       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dallas       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> area.       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He thought to himself, "I'm going to assume that more       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than 48       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hours has       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> passed since. So got up and walked to the kitchen and       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> took a look       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inside       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> refrigerator. There was nothing there but the cat food he       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cooked on       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the day he first saw the magic mountain. He got on the       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> computer to       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> order       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something zesty from HelloFresh. After choosing the       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> closest to a       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> healthy       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nice pre-agricultural food kit, he clicked, "Go to checkout"       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> button,       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after which the computer waited for a few seconds but       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instead of       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> getting       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to the check out screen, a screen came up to make sure       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Physfit was       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not a       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> robot. It had a simple question that he had to give it       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the correct       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> answer, otherwise food nommo.       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The question went like this:       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "In math, is there a difference between the two numbers       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 0.999999...       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and 1 ?"       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The digits of "9" continued forever to the right of the       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> radix       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> point. So       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of course, Physfit clicked on the "yes" button. If there       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was not a       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> difference, then one wouldn't even bother to write 1 in       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that funky       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> form,       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using an infinite series of digit 9.       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But the screen disappeared, and a message said, "You're a       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> robot.       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bye!"       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Physfit said, "Fuck!" (first of the fix number of curses       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jesus had       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> allowed him for that day). So he took a pen and paper and       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> started       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jotting down:       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> x = 0.99999....       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Therefore:       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 10x = 9.99999....       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now he subtracted the former from the latter:       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 10x - x = 9.99999... - 0.99999...       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which simplifies to:       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 9x = 9       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And therefore:       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> x = 1       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "What the fuck??", said Physfit (his 2nd curse of the day).       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why x which was 0.99999... and not 1, turned out to be 1?       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ... "       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (end of quote)       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, is this problem pointing to what Kosmanson has been       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so keen       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about? :)       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Once I was reading a book or article,       >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and was introduced the introduction of .999 (...),       >>>>>>>>>>>>>> vis-a-vis, 1. A cohort of subjects was surveyed       >>>>>>>>>>>>>> their opinion and belief whether .999, dot dot dot,       >>>>>>>>>>>>>> was equal to, or less than, one. About half said       >>>>>>>>>>>>>> same and about half said different.       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>              [continued in next message]              --- SoupGate-DOS v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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