XPost: sci.physics.relativity, sci.math
From: physfitfreak@gmail.com
On 4/7/25 2:12 PM, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> Physfitfreak wrote:
>
>> On 4/7/25 5:03 AM, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>> Physfitfreak wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 3/12/25 4:16 PM, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>>>> FYA, all.
>>>>> Who wrote this letter, and for whom was it intended?
>>>>> (ten bonus points for the correct year)
>>>>>
>>>>> ======
>>>>> Herr Einstein is one of the most original minds that we have ever met.
>>>>> In spite of his youth he already occupies a very honorable position
>>>>> among the foremost savants of his time.
>>>>>
>>>>> What we marvel at him, above all, is the ease with which he adjusts
>>>>> himself to new conceptions and draws all possible deductions from them.
>>>>> He does not cling to classic principles, but sees all conceivable
>>>>> possibilities when he is confronted with a physical problem.
>>>>> In his mind this becomes transformed into an anticipation of
>>>>> new phenomena that may some day be verified in actual experience....
>>>>>
>>>>> The future will give more and more proofs of the merits of Herr
>>>>> Einstein, and the University that succeeds in attaching him to itself
>>>>> may be certain that it will derive honour from its connection with the
>>>>> young master.
>>>>> =======
>>>>>
>>>>> Guess Who?
>>>>>
>>>>> Jan
>>>>> (cheaters will be disqualified)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This forged letter sounds like what Einstein himself would dictate to a
>>>> "Whodat" type of Bozo to create a recommendation letter.
>>>
>>> So denialism is what it is for you.
>>>
>>> In the meantime I have dug up he original French text.
>>> (not bad, for a forger who didn't speak French, Eh?)
>>>
>>> As for the letter: Einstein and Poincare had met for the first and last
>>> time at the Solvay conference, Oct. 30 to Nov. 2, 1911.
>>> The letter of recommendation by Curie and Poincare to the ETH, Zurich,
>>> was written shortly afterwards.
>>> Einstein's appointment at the ETH finally came through in July 1912.
>>>
>>> It is of course inconceivable that Poincare would have met Einstein on
>>> friendly terms at the Solvay, where he had lively discussions with him,
>>> (together with Lorentz) and that he would have written this letter of
>>> recommendation if he had considered Einstein to be a mere plagiarist
>>> of his own work.
>>>
>>> Jan
>>>
>>> Letter of Recommendatation
>>> ====
>>> M. Einstein est un des esprits les plus originaux que j'aie connus;
>>> malgré sa jeunesse, il a déjà pris un rang très honorable parmi les
>>> premiers savants de son temps.
>>>
>>> Ce que nous devons surtout admirer en lui, c'est la facilité avec
>>> laquelle il s'adapte aux conceptions nouvelles et sait en tirer toutes
>>> les conséquences. Il ne reste pas attaché aux principes classiques, et,
>>> en présence d'un problème de physique, est prompt à envisager toutes les
>>> possibilités.
>>>
>>> Cela se traduit immédiatement dans son esprit par la prévision de
>>> phénomènes nouveaux, susceptibles d'être un jour vérifiés par
>>> l'expérience. Je ne veux pas dire que toutes ces prévisions résisteront
>>> au contrôle de l'expérience le jour où ce contrôle deviendra possible.
>>>
>>> Comme il cherche dans toutes les directions, on doit au contraire
>>> s'attendre à ce que la plupart des voies dans lesquelles il s'engage
>>> soient des impasses; mais on doit en même temps espérer que l'une des
>>> directions qu'il a indiquées soit la bonne; et cela suffit.
>>>
>>> C'est bien ainsi qu'on doit procéder. Le rôle de la physique
>>> mathématique est de bien poser les questions, ce n'est que l'expérience
>>> qui peut les résoudre.
>>>
>>> L'avenir montrera de plus en plus quelle est la valeur de M. Einstein,
>>> et l'université qui saura s'attacher ce jeune maître est assurée d'en
>>> retirer beaucoup d'honneur.
>>> ====
>>> Signed, Mme. Curie and Henri Poincaré
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Denialism?.. How absurd. I don't need that. Titled people need it. It
>> amounts to kissing the title that's hung on the wall not that far from
>> where they sit.
>
> You obviously do need it.
> Why else would you invent your own 'fact'
> that a well-documented letter must be a forgery?
>
>> I tore mine up and got rid of the pieces before it gets rude to me!
>> That's how I saved myself. That's how I can stay objective.
>>
>> My educated guess was based on the assumption that nobody in those years
>> knew Einstein as clearly as it is stated in that letter of
>> recommendation. Nobody but Einstein himself.
>
> Complete nonsense. Both Mme. Curie and Henri Poincare
> had met Einstein in person at the Solvay conference.
> They (with others like Lorentz and Planck)
> had three days of lectures heavy discussions about the state of physics.
> They must have formed a well-founded opinion on Einstein's mastery and
> abilities.
>
>> As simple as that.
>>
>> So if it was a letter of "recommendation", then it must've been dictated
>> by Einstein to someone who wouldn't mind creating such forgery.
>
> And in Switzerland at the EHT they were of course complete nitwits,
> who could easily be duped.
>
>> A "Whodat" kind of a man who always pretended here he had a physics
>> background.
>
> You are being more than a little bit silly.
> Remember, Solvay 1911 was a meeting of the best physicists in the world.
> You really cant bluff your way into physics in such company.
>
> Summary: you are making a fool of yourself,
>
> Jan
>
>
Ok Mom. I won't speak of it again :)
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