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From: ttt_heg@web.de
Am Donnerstag000010, 10.04.2025 um 19:46 schrieb x:
> On 4/9/25 23:26, Thomas Heger wrote:
> > Am Mittwoch000009, 09.04.2025 um 11:04 schrieb J. J. Lodder:
> >> Thomas Heger wrote:
> >>
> >>> Am Montag000007, 07.04.2025 um 12:03 schrieb J. J. Lodder:
> >>>> Physfitfreak wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On 3/12/25 4:16 PM, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> >>>>>> FYA, all.
> >>>>>> Who wrote this letter, and for whom was it intended?
> >>>>>> (ten bonus points for the correct year)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ======
> >>>>>> Herr Einstein is one of the most original minds that we have ever
> >>>>>> met.
> >>>>>> In spite of his youth he already occupies a very honorable position
> >>>>>> among the foremost savants of his time.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> What we marvel at him, above all, is the ease with which he adjusts
> >>>>>> himself to new conceptions and draws all possible deductions from
> >>>>>> them.
> >>>>>> He does not cling to classic principles, but sees all conceivable
> >>>>>> possibilities when he is confronted with a physical problem.
> >>>>>> In his mind this becomes transformed into an anticipation of
> >>>>>> new phenomena that may some day be verified in actual
> experience....
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The future will give more and more proofs of the merits of Herr
> >>>>>> Einstein, and the University that succeeds in attaching him to
> itself
> >>>>>> may be certain that it will derive honour from its connection with
> >>>>>> the
> >>>>>> young master.
> >>>>>> =======
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Guess Who?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Jan
> >>>>>> (cheaters will be disqualified)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> This forged letter sounds like what Einstein himself would dictate
> >>>>> to a
> >>>>> "Whodat" type of Bozo to create a recommendation letter.
> >>>>
> >>>> So denialism is what it is for you.
> >>>>
> >>>> In the meantime I have dug up he original French text.
> >>>> (not bad, for a forger who didn't speak French, Eh?)
> >>>>
> >>>> As for the letter: Einstein and Poincare had met for the first and
> last
> >>>> time at the Solvay conference, Oct. 30 to Nov. 2, 1911.
> >>>> The letter of recommendation by Curie and Poincare to the ETH,
> Zurich,
> >>>> was written shortly afterwards.
> >>>> Einstein's appointment at the ETH finally came through in July 1912.
> >>>>
> >>>> It is of course inconceivable that Poincare would have met
> Einstein on
> >>>> friendly terms at the Solvay, where he had lively discussions with
> him,
> >>>> (together with Lorentz) and that he would have written this letter of
> >>>> recommendation if he had considered Einstein to be a mere plagiarist
> >>>> of his own work.
> >>>>
> >>>> Jan
> >>>>
> >>>> Letter of Recommendatation
> >>>> ====
> >>>> M. Einstein est un des esprits les plus originaux que j'aie connus;
> >>> ...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> ====
> >>>> Signed, Mme. Curie and Henri Poincaré
> >>> translation by google
> >>>
> >>> "Mr. Einstein is one of the most original minds I have ever known;"
> >>>
> >>> Apparently Poincare knew Einstein in person, hence Einstein spoke
> >>> French.
> >>
> >> Poincare no doubt had studied Einstein's publications,
> >> and they met in person for thee days at the 1911 Solvay conference.
> >> The letter of recommendation was written shortly after that.
> >>
> >>> But not only was Einstein able to speak French somehow, but apperently
> >>> spoke French well.
> >>
> >> Good enough. It is a matter of record that Lorentz, Einstein, and
> >> Poincare had long discussions at the Solvay conference.
> >> The language in which is not known, probably a mix of French and
> German.
> >> Poincare was born in Nancy, Lorraine, close to the French-German
> border.
> >> His mother was born close to the French-Luxembourg border.
> >> The whole Alsace-Lorraine region is effectively bi-lingual.
> >> I guess that Poincare, who lived there until age 19,
> >> could also speak German well enough.
> >> He was certainly capable of reading German.
> >> And in case of language problems Lorentz could interpret.
> >>
> >>> This little fact disturbed me already some time ago, since Einstein
> was
> >>> by no means a fast learner of any language (as can be seen in his poor
> >>> performance in English after ten years at Princton).
> >>
> >> Not too bad, given that Einstein started learning and speaking English
> >> when already in his fifties.
> >>
> >>> So: where did Einstein learn French?
> >>
> >> In high school, obviously, and in practice by living in Switzerland for
> >> many years. (which is a tri-lingual country)
> >>
> >>> Most likely Einstein also spoke Italien, because his family lived in
> >>> Pavia, Italy and Einstein spent some time there.
> >>
> >> Yes, that too, somewhat.
> >>
> >>> Now: German, Italian and French make a set of languages, which are
> >>> spoken in Switzerland and no other country.
> >>>
> >>> The natural question would be, if Einstein had also other relations to
> >>> Switzerland.
> >>
> >> Of course, he was a Swiss citizen, by choice.
> >>
> >>> Well, actually Einstein had a few:
> >>>
> >>> went to school in Aarau (Switzerland)
> >>> went to university in Zurich (Switzerland)
> >>> married, lived and worked in Bern (Switzerland)
> >>> spent his live after retirement in Switzerland
> >>> has Swiss citizenship
> >>
> >> Yes, yes, 'Einstein retiring to Switzerland'.
> >> Your ability to invent historical 'facts' to suit your prejudices
> >> remains amazing,
> >
> >
> > There were certain stations in the life of Einstein, which simply didn't
> > make sense:
> >
> > 1)Einstein remained alone in Germany, after his family moved to Italy.
> > But since when is this allowed and even possible?
> >
> > 2) he quit school and went to Italy, after denouncing German citizenship
> > as teenager (afaik at the age of 16).
> > But Germans were (and are) a little burocratic and didn't care much
> > about the wishes of teenagers. So how could Einstein possily denouce
> > German citizenship?
> >
> > 3) he went to Pavia, Italy, where his family lived. But he stayed there
> > some month without attending school (the enighboring Jesuits wrote on
> > their website, that Einstein stayed there for an entire year!).
> > So Einstein missed at least a year in school. But why didn't he go to
> > school, if he spoke already Italian?
> >
> > 4) He then went alone to Aarau in Switzerland and went to the Gymnasium
> > there. But since when was it allowed (for unattended teenagers) to go to
> > Gymnasium there, if they were stateless?
>
> Four is easy. Back then there were no computers denying everyone
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