XPost: sci.physics.relativity, comp.os.linux.advocacy   
   From: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl   
      
   Thomas Heger  wrote:   
      
   > Am Donnerstag000010, 10.04.2025 um 19:46 schrieb x:   
   > > On 4/9/25 23:26, Thomas Heger wrote:   
   > >  > Am Mittwoch000009, 09.04.2025 um 11:04 schrieb J. J. Lodder:   
   > >  >> Thomas Heger  wrote:   
   > >  >>   
   > >  >>> Am Montag000007, 07.04.2025 um 12:03 schrieb J. J. Lodder:   
   > >  >>>> Physfitfreak  wrote:   
   > >  >>>>   
   > >  >>>>> On 3/12/25 4:16 PM, J. J. Lodder wrote:   
   > >  >>>>>> FYA, all.   
   > >  >>>>>> Who wrote this letter, and for whom was it intended?   
   > >  >>>>>> (ten bonus points for the correct year)   
   > >  >>>>>>   
   > >  >>>>>> ======   
   > >  >>>>>> Herr Einstein is one of the most original minds that we have ever   
   > >  >>>>>> met.   
   > >  >>>>>> In spite of his youth he already occupies a very honorable position   
   > >  >>>>>> among the foremost savants of his time.   
   > >  >>>>>>   
   > >  >>>>>> What we marvel at him, above all, is the ease with which he adjusts   
   > >  >>>>>> himself to new conceptions and draws all possible deductions from   
   > >  >>>>>> them.   
   > >  >>>>>> He does not cling to classic principles, but sees all conceivable   
   > >  >>>>>> possibilities when he is confronted with a physical problem.   
   > >  >>>>>> In his mind this becomes transformed into an anticipation of   
   > >  >>>>>> new phenomena that may some day be verified in actual   
   > > experience....   
   > >  >>>>>>   
   > >  >>>>>> The future will give more and more proofs of the merits of Herr   
   > >  >>>>>> Einstein, and the University that succeeds in attaching him to   
   > > itself   
   > >  >>>>>> may be certain that it will derive honour from its connection with   
   > >  >>>>>> the   
   > >  >>>>>> young master.   
   > >  >>>>>> =======   
   > >  >>>>>>   
   > >  >>>>>> Guess Who?   
   > >  >>>>>>   
   > >  >>>>>> Jan   
   > >  >>>>>> (cheaters will be disqualified)   
   > >  >>>>>>   
   > >  >>>>>>   
   > >  >>>>>>   
   > >  >>>>>>   
   > >  >>>>>   
   > >  >>>>>   
   > >  >>>>>   
   > >  >>>>> This forged letter sounds like what Einstein himself would dictate   
   > >  >>>>> to a   
   > >  >>>>> "Whodat" type of Bozo to create a recommendation letter.   
   > >  >>>>   
   > >  >>>> So denialism is what it is for you.   
   > >  >>>>   
   > >  >>>> In the meantime I have dug up he original French text.   
   > >  >>>> (not bad, for a forger who didn't speak French, Eh?)   
   > >  >>>>   
   > >  >>>> As for the letter: Einstein and Poincare had met for the first and   
   > > last   
   > >  >>>> time at the Solvay conference, Oct. 30 to Nov. 2, 1911.   
   > >  >>>> The letter of recommendation by Curie and Poincare to the ETH,   
   > > Zurich,   
   > >  >>>> was written shortly afterwards.   
   > >  >>>> Einstein's appointment at the ETH finally came through in July 1912.   
   > >  >>>>   
   > >  >>>> It is of course inconceivable that Poincare would have met   
   > > Einstein on   
   > >  >>>> friendly terms at the Solvay, where he had lively discussions with   
   > > him,   
   > >  >>>> (together with Lorentz) and that he would have written this letter of   
   > >  >>>> recommendation if he had considered Einstein to be a mere plagiarist   
   > >  >>>> of his own work.   
   > >  >>>>   
   > >  >>>> Jan   
   > >  >>>>   
   > >  >>>> Letter of Recommendatation   
   > >  >>>> ====   
   > >  >>>> M. Einstein est un des esprits les plus originaux que j'aie connus;   
   > >  >>> ...   
   > >  >>>   
   > >  >>>   
   > >  >>>> ====   
   > >  >>>> Signed,  Mme. Curie and Henri Poincaré   
   > >  >>> translation by google   
   > >  >>>   
   > >  >>> "Mr. Einstein is one of the most original minds I have ever known;"   
   > >  >>>   
   > >  >>> Apparently Poincare knew Einstein in person, hence Einstein spoke   
   > >  >>> French.   
   > >  >>   
   > >  >> Poincare no doubt had studied Einstein's publications,   
   > >  >> and they met in person for thee days at the 1911 Solvay conference.   
   > >  >> The letter of recommendation was written shortly after that.   
   > >  >>   
   > >  >>> But not only was Einstein able to speak French somehow, but apperently   
   > >  >>> spoke French well.   
   > >  >>   
   > >  >> Good enough. It is a matter of record that Lorentz, Einstein, and   
   > >  >> Poincare had long discussions at the Solvay conference.   
   > >  >> The language in which is not known, probably a mix of French and   
   > > German.   
   > >  >> Poincare was born in Nancy, Lorraine, close to the French-German   
   > > border.   
   > >  >> His mother was born close to the French-Luxembourg border.   
   > >  >> The whole Alsace-Lorraine region is effectively bi-lingual.   
   > >  >> I guess that Poincare, who lived there until age 19,   
   > >  >> could also speak German well enough.   
   > >  >> He was certainly capable of reading German.   
   > >  >> And in case of language problems Lorentz could interpret.   
   > >  >>   
   > >  >>> This little fact disturbed me already some time ago, since Einstein   
   > > was   
   > >  >>> by no means a fast learner of any language (as can be seen in his poor   
   > >  >>> performance in English after ten years at Princton).   
   > >  >>   
   > >  >> Not too bad, given that Einstein started learning and speaking English   
   > >  >> when already in his fifties.   
   > >  >>   
   > >  >>> So: where did Einstein learn French?   
   > >  >>   
   > >  >> In high school, obviously, and in practice by living in Switzerland for   
   > >  >> many years. (which is a tri-lingual country)   
   > >  >>   
   > >  >>> Most likely Einstein also spoke Italien, because his family lived in   
   > >  >>> Pavia, Italy and Einstein spent some time there.   
   > >  >>   
   > >  >> Yes, that too, somewhat.   
   > >  >>   
   > >  >>> Now: German, Italian and French make a set of languages, which are   
   > >  >>> spoken in Switzerland and no other country.   
   > >  >>>   
   > >  >>> The natural question would be, if Einstein had also other relations to   
   > >  >>> Switzerland.   
   > >  >>   
   > >  >> Of course, he was a Swiss citizen, by choice.   
   > >  >>   
   > >  >>> Well, actually Einstein had a few:   
   > >  >>>   
   > >  >>> went to school in Aarau (Switzerland)   
   > >  >>> went to university in Zurich (Switzerland)   
   > >  >>> married, lived and worked in Bern (Switzerland)   
   > >  >>> spent his live after retirement in Switzerland   
   > >  >>> has Swiss citizenship   
   > >  >>   
   > >  >> Yes, yes, 'Einstein retiring to Switzerland'.   
   > >  >> Your ability to invent historical 'facts' to suit your prejudices   
   > >  >> remains amazing,   
   > >  >   
   > >  >   
   > >  > There were certain stations in the life of Einstein, which simply didn't   
   > >  > make sense:   
   > >  >   
   > >  > 1)Einstein remained alone in Germany, after his family moved to Italy.   
   > >  > But since when is this allowed and even possible?   
   > >  >   
   > >  > 2) he quit school and went to Italy, after denouncing German citizenship   
   > >  > as teenager (afaik at the age of 16).   
   > >  > But Germans were (and are) a little burocratic and didn't care much   
   > >  > about the wishes of teenagers.  So how could Einstein possily denouce   
   > >  > German citizenship?   
   > >  >   
   > >  > 3) he went to Pavia, Italy, where his family lived. But he stayed there   
   > >  > some month without attending school (the enighboring Jesuits wrote on   
   > >  > their website, that Einstein stayed there for an entire year!).   
      
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