XPost: sci.physics.relativity, sci.math   
   From: physfitfreak@gmail.com   
      
   On 4/19/25 2:37 PM, Physfitfreak wrote:   
   > On 4/19/25 1:59 PM, Physfitfreak wrote:   
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   >> An Iranian more independent and self-centered news outlet (in   
   >> Telegram) which does not necessarily obey any demands on them by   
   >> Iran's government, early on, towards the beginning of the talk   
   >> disclosed that Araghchi and his team had cancelled the talk minutes   
   >> into its start, and for about 15 minutes or so were preparing to leave   
   >> the building (Ommani embassy in Italy) and return to Iran.   
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   >> This news piece was not touched on at the end of the 2nd rounds talks   
   >> by spokesperson of foreign ministry. No other Iranian sources of news   
   >> also touched on that, either because they didn't have the information,   
   >> or they followed ministry's directive in keeping it quiet. No news of   
   >> it in Western outlets that I could see either.   
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   > In this round of talk, no reporters were allowed in the building. Even   
   > spokesperson himself wasn't allowed to be there. And I don't think   
   > anyone among Iran's team texted this out directly to that news agency.   
   > It'd be absurd to do that. Much more likely, Araghchi himself called up   
   > other Iran's authorities to ask for permission to abort, and it was   
   > granted. Then some Iranians in the government itself immediately leaked   
   > it to that news agency against the wishes of the government.   
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   > There's a second route also. Perhaps some Mossad agent among Americans'   
   > team texted it out to Mossad, and Iran's spies among Mossad (plenty of   
   > them!) texted it to that news agency and perhaps scores of other ones as   
   > well, then only the most independent one disclosed it in Telegram. I   
   > think these two are the only routes that the news could take to come out.   
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   > I saw the news piece just minutes after the attempt to abort took place!   
   > I.e. during those minutes that mission was aborted. This is a bit too   
   > fast to be normal reaction on either side. I think there's more to it   
   > than it seems.   
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   > How it was handled _after_ 2nd round was over, was of course just   
   > correct diplomatic behavior preserving both sides' face. Such nitty   
   > gritties are washed and cleaned off before news to media is given. But   
   > the fact that somebody, some side, wanted very badly and quickly for it   
   > to come out, is the strange and interesting part of it :)   
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   > Could be that somebody will explain this in the news for a wider   
   > audience. We'll see.   
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   On the official Iranian news channel whose reporter woman was in Rome   
   broadcasting live from outside the place of meeting, the only clue that   
   could point to this event is that she said (live cast) spokesperson was   
   called inside and despite arrangements made between them to relay the   
   news to the woman reporter, she was saying he had gone silent for the   
   past few minutes and is not responding to our queries. Then she herself   
   concluded that "talks may have started to cover very serious matters,   
   taking all spokesman's attention." :) This is the only sign that you   
   could see in Iran's official news.   
      
   Anyway, this thing isn't deserving all this attention and I'm already   
   sick of it. As far as my own view is concerned, as I've said it multiple   
   times, it doesn't matter how this talk "goes forward" or even is kept   
   going or not. This whole thing to contact and create a dialogue with the   
   Americans is inconsequential to Iran because regardless of the outcome,   
   Iran must and would do exactly what she should, with or without a talk.   
   There aren't "choices" there for Iran to think and choose from when   
   Nazis are pressuring her.   
      
   In fact this is also the stance of Pezeshkiyan and Iran's Leader   
   himself. Both of them have pointed out that this matter of "negotiation"   
   is one among tens of other tasks that foreign ministry is involved in   
   and does not absorb any more attention than that, and some people's   
   tying the events or their decisions and plans to it is ridiculous.   
      
   Talking with Americans is not consequential for Iran, and therefore, it   
   is not consequential _to_ Iran. End of this crap story.   
      
   Talking with Russia is, and talking with China is, and similarly   
   developing ties with central Asians and Arabs and Indians and central   
   and south Americans ARE consequential for (and to) Iran.   
      
   USA and its cohorts and to tell you the truth the whole fucking   
   cro-magnon people is a thing of the past for Iran. It was over decades ago.   
      
   Here let me one more time quote Raisi on that:   
      
       "They are the past; we are the future. I repeat, they are the past,   
   and we are the future."   
      
                       - Raisi in delivering his speech in UN   
      
   --- SoupGate-DOS v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)