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   >>>>>>>> armaments belonging to USA that was agreed upon and sent to   
   >>>>>>>> Poland to be transferred to Ukrainians, was suddenly stopped in   
   >>>>>>>> Poland. I think Trump wants to get them back from Europe and   
   >>>>>>>> give them to Israel, which in turn means another attempt from   
   >>>>>>>> Israel to attack Iran, which consequently will cause Putin and   
   >>>>>>>> Xi to escalate the war in Ukraine, raising the level of   
   >>>>>>>> armaments that Ukraine needs to protect itself.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> Trump's plan wins only if Europe would all by themselves prove   
   >>>>>>>> to be able to sacrifice enough of their resources to fully   
   >>>>>>>> compensate for what Russia (and China) destroy in Ukraine. I   
   >>>>>>>> think this plan of Trump had a chance, and only a chance, before   
   >>>>>>>> China joined, and not after.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> And obviously China joined in because Trump's plan had a chance.   
   >>>>>>>> I.e. EU collectively might match Russia in resources.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> A lot of Iranians got pretty pissed when neither Russia nor   
   >>>>>>>> China tactically helped Iran in any direct way, in this 12 day   
   >>>>>>>> war. I guess they didn't notice that this war caused Ukrainian   
   >>>>>>>> war to escalate. Putin raised the level of attacks and   
   >>>>>>>> destruction of Ukraine's armaments. This _caused_ U.S. military   
   >>>>>>>> armaments get shipped to Europe to be given to Ukraine, after   
   >>>>>>>> all. But that shipment is now stopped and I'm not aware yet if   
   >>>>>>>> they've said exactly for what reason.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> Also note that Iran's card of mining the Strait of Hormoz is not   
   >>>>>>>> just a way of pressuring USA, but very much so pressuring China   
   >>>>>>>> as well. In fact it will hurt China more than it does to USA.   
   >>>>>>>> But results are the same regardless. It is a way of throwing   
   >>>>>>>> China at USA! And Iran can do that. She's even decided it in the   
   >>>>>>>> parliament and it has been OKed by Guardian Council. It only   
   >>>>>>>> needs a signature, and less than 15 minutes of time to get done!   
   >>>>>>>>   
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   >>>>>>> Now that Iran's calculation of Israeli losses in the 12 day war   
   >>>>>>> is out, one British news outlet opened its mouth about the   
   >>>>>>> military property destruction part of it, saying a total of 5   
   >>>>>>> military bases and camps were attacked by Iran:   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> - Tel Nof airbase   
   >>>>>>> - military stuff in Beit Nehemiq   
   >>>>>>> - Camp Glilot   
   >>>>>>> - Irtah   
   >>>>>>> - Camp Zipporit   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> One of the above is a military data gathering center and another   
   >>>>>>> deals with military logistics. Israelis now admit they were hit   
   >>>>>>> but quickly claim their "functioning" did not stop. And of course   
   >>>>>>> they don't say how much it has cost them. They (both military and   
   >>>>>>> the cabinet) haven't denied Iran's calculation of it either :)   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Eventually these calculations may prove themselves to be   
   >>>>>>> reasonable as the dollar figures of USA and Europe's military   
   >>>>>>> assistance to Israel will add up to the right amount. These   
   >>>>>>> figures aren't that hard to find.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Using the 5th column for war effort has its consequences.   
   >>>>>>> Iranians are claiming that a huge amount of additional   
   >>>>>>> information has so far been obtained about Mossad from thousands   
   >>>>>>> of individuals who've so far been arrested.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Only one of results among many has been (according to an Arab   
   >>>>>>> website) identification and arrest of close to 700 spies inside   
   >>>>>>> Iran! These agents are no "5th column" forces, but outright   
   >>>>>>> active agents working full time for various foreign countries.   
   >>>>>>> This is a feat of achievement. Among them are foreigners as well   
   >>>>>>> as Iranians.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> How much Israeli/American loss of dollar involves that aspect of   
   >>>>>>> expenditure in this war? I bet it is included in the "military   
   >>>>>>> expenditure" part of the calculations made.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Earlier I said something about Ukraine being used by Russia and   
   >>>>>>> China as a sink for military assistance that USA and Europe have   
   >>>>>>> been otherwise delivering to Israel. I mentioned that   
   >>>>>>> Russia/China can raise the intensity and cost of Ukraine's war as   
   >>>>>>> they wish. I did not say to what extent though :) What is the   
   >>>>>>> limit of that? How far will the two countries go in that war to   
   >>>>>>> keep wars away from West Asia?   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> It depends on how important West Asia is to them. I think it is   
   >>>>>>> extremely important. It is vital for them indeed. So if Ukraine   
   >>>>>>> at some point capitulates, then the war might keep going beyond   
   >>>>>>> Ukraine! Already, EU heads of state are saying if they don't   
   >>>>>>> raise the levels of military assistance to Ukraine, they might as   
   >>>>>>> well begin learning the Russian language :) Hahhahhahahahhh :-))   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> They said that just today :)   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> So.. a bit of informed prediction can be done. Americans' dormant   
   >>>>>>> war with China can cost Americans the entire Europe; and only   
   >>>>>>> then, i.e., when Europe is occupied by Russia, Americans can   
   >>>>>>> begin pushing China out of West Asia, this time all by   
   >>>>>>> themselves. To say this another way, Israel has to be more   
   >>>>>>> important to USA than the entire Europe, not just Ukraine!..   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Is that so?..   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Just what _is_ Americans' interest in Europe? Has anybody looked   
   >>>>>>> into it? Are there any realistic books about it published? Papers   
   >>>>>>> sure, but papers aren't open to access by the public anymore. So..   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Again, time to step back and look at the big picture.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> They cannot hide the big picture inside inaccessible papers :) It   
   >>>>>>> always shows itself. And it's free to access. All that's required   
   >>>>>>> is to have a dick like Physfit's. So the bottom line is that   
   >>>>>>> Americans, at this point, still consider the entire EU as a   
   >>>>>>> bargaining card. Why did Trump want to get Greenland and Canada?   
   >>>>>>> I think it is because Americans are willing to let EU go to   
   >>>>>>> Russians, but not Greenland and Canada, and that they may be   
   >>>>>>> getting themselves ready to exchange EU with West Asia between   
   >>>>>>> themselves and the Russians/Chinese.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> I think Americans will lose the dormant war with China, in both   
   >>>>>>> dormant as well as open modes, and will eventually get themselves   
   >>>>>>> and their "Israelis" out of West Asia for good. I think it'll be   
   >>>>>>> "The Americas" on one side of the Earth, and the rest of the   
   >>>>>>> Earth on the other side of it. That's the future arrangement.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Then devouring of cro-magnons by the Modern Humans will begin in   
   >>>>>>> both hemispheres. Literally. They'll move to eat you cro-magnons   
   >>>>>>> out of this world. You will gradually be defecated out until we   
   >>>>>>> won't see a cro-magnon anymore. Things then get a chance to   
   >>>>>>> settle at last. We can't have a species so close to humans.   
   >>>>>>>   
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   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> So things like Trump will only have food value. Proteins, fat,   
   >>>>>> minerals, etc. And since the cost and time needed for cro-magnon   
   >>>>>> early humans, from artificial insemination to somewhere in their   
   >>>>>> late teens, is almost that for Modern Humans', the depletion in   
      
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