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   >>>>>>> Poland. I think Trump wants to get them back from Europe and give   
   >>>>>>> them to Israel, which in turn means another attempt from Israel   
   >>>>>>> to attack Iran, which consequently will cause Putin and Xi to   
   >>>>>>> escalate the war in Ukraine, raising the level of armaments that   
   >>>>>>> Ukraine needs to protect itself.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Trump's plan wins only if Europe would all by themselves prove to   
   >>>>>>> be able to sacrifice enough of their resources to fully   
   >>>>>>> compensate for what Russia (and China) destroy in Ukraine. I   
   >>>>>>> think this plan of Trump had a chance, and only a chance, before   
   >>>>>>> China joined, and not after.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> And obviously China joined in because Trump's plan had a chance.   
   >>>>>>> I.e. EU collectively might match Russia in resources.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> A lot of Iranians got pretty pissed when neither Russia nor China   
   >>>>>>> tactically helped Iran in any direct way, in this 12 day war. I   
   >>>>>>> guess they didn't notice that this war caused Ukrainian war to   
   >>>>>>> escalate. Putin raised the level of attacks and destruction of   
   >>>>>>> Ukraine's armaments. This _caused_ U.S. military armaments get   
   >>>>>>> shipped to Europe to be given to Ukraine, after all. But that   
   >>>>>>> shipment is now stopped and I'm not aware yet if they've said   
   >>>>>>> exactly for what reason.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Also note that Iran's card of mining the Strait of Hormoz is not   
   >>>>>>> just a way of pressuring USA, but very much so pressuring China   
   >>>>>>> as well. In fact it will hurt China more than it does to USA. But   
   >>>>>>> results are the same regardless. It is a way of throwing China at   
   >>>>>>> USA! And Iran can do that. She's even decided it in the   
   >>>>>>> parliament and it has been OKed by Guardian Council. It only   
   >>>>>>> needs a signature, and less than 15 minutes of time to get done!   
   >>>>>>>   
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   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Now that Iran's calculation of Israeli losses in the 12 day war is   
   >>>>>> out, one British news outlet opened its mouth about the military   
   >>>>>> property destruction part of it, saying a total of 5 military   
   >>>>>> bases and camps were attacked by Iran:   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> - Tel Nof airbase   
   >>>>>> - military stuff in Beit Nehemiq   
   >>>>>> - Camp Glilot   
   >>>>>> - Irtah   
   >>>>>> - Camp Zipporit   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> One of the above is a military data gathering center and another   
   >>>>>> deals with military logistics. Israelis now admit they were hit   
   >>>>>> but quickly claim their "functioning" did not stop. And of course   
   >>>>>> they don't say how much it has cost them. They (both military and   
   >>>>>> the cabinet) haven't denied Iran's calculation of it either :)   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Eventually these calculations may prove themselves to be   
   >>>>>> reasonable as the dollar figures of USA and Europe's military   
   >>>>>> assistance to Israel will add up to the right amount. These   
   >>>>>> figures aren't that hard to find.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Using the 5th column for war effort has its consequences. Iranians   
   >>>>>> are claiming that a huge amount of additional information has so   
   >>>>>> far been obtained about Mossad from thousands of individuals   
   >>>>>> who've so far been arrested.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Only one of results among many has been (according to an Arab   
   >>>>>> website) identification and arrest of close to 700 spies inside   
   >>>>>> Iran! These agents are no "5th column" forces, but outright active   
   >>>>>> agents working full time for various foreign countries. This is a   
   >>>>>> feat of achievement. Among them are foreigners as well as Iranians.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> How much Israeli/American loss of dollar involves that aspect of   
   >>>>>> expenditure in this war? I bet it is included in the "military   
   >>>>>> expenditure" part of the calculations made.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Earlier I said something about Ukraine being used by Russia and   
   >>>>>> China as a sink for military assistance that USA and Europe have   
   >>>>>> been otherwise delivering to Israel. I mentioned that Russia/China   
   >>>>>> can raise the intensity and cost of Ukraine's war as they wish. I   
   >>>>>> did not say to what extent though :) What is the limit of that?   
   >>>>>> How far will the two countries go in that war to keep wars away   
   >>>>>> from West Asia?   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> It depends on how important West Asia is to them. I think it is   
   >>>>>> extremely important. It is vital for them indeed. So if Ukraine at   
   >>>>>> some point capitulates, then the war might keep going beyond   
   >>>>>> Ukraine! Already, EU heads of state are saying if they don't raise   
   >>>>>> the levels of military assistance to Ukraine, they might as well   
   >>>>>> begin learning the Russian language :) Hahhahhahahahhh :-))   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> They said that just today :)   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> So.. a bit of informed prediction can be done. Americans' dormant   
   >>>>>> war with China can cost Americans the entire Europe; and only   
   >>>>>> then, i.e., when Europe is occupied by Russia, Americans can begin   
   >>>>>> pushing China out of West Asia, this time all by themselves. To   
   >>>>>> say this another way, Israel has to be more important to USA than   
   >>>>>> the entire Europe, not just Ukraine!..   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Is that so?..   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Just what _is_ Americans' interest in Europe? Has anybody looked   
   >>>>>> into it? Are there any realistic books about it published? Papers   
   >>>>>> sure, but papers aren't open to access by the public anymore. So..   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Again, time to step back and look at the big picture.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> They cannot hide the big picture inside inaccessible papers :) It   
   >>>>>> always shows itself. And it's free to access. All that's required   
   >>>>>> is to have a dick like Physfit's. So the bottom line is that   
   >>>>>> Americans, at this point, still consider the entire EU as a   
   >>>>>> bargaining card. Why did Trump want to get Greenland and Canada? I   
   >>>>>> think it is because Americans are willing to let EU go to   
   >>>>>> Russians, but not Greenland and Canada, and that they may be   
   >>>>>> getting themselves ready to exchange EU with West Asia between   
   >>>>>> themselves and the Russians/Chinese.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> I think Americans will lose the dormant war with China, in both   
   >>>>>> dormant as well as open modes, and will eventually get themselves   
   >>>>>> and their "Israelis" out of West Asia for good. I think it'll be   
   >>>>>> "The Americas" on one side of the Earth, and the rest of the Earth   
   >>>>>> on the other side of it. That's the future arrangement.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Then devouring of cro-magnons by the Modern Humans will begin in   
   >>>>>> both hemispheres. Literally. They'll move to eat you cro-magnons   
   >>>>>> out of this world. You will gradually be defecated out until we   
   >>>>>> won't see a cro-magnon anymore. Things then get a chance to settle   
   >>>>>> at last. We can't have a species so close to humans.   
   >>>>>>   
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   >>>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> So things like Trump will only have food value. Proteins, fat,   
   >>>>> minerals, etc. And since the cost and time needed for cro-magnon   
   >>>>> early humans, from artificial insemination to somewhere in their   
   >>>>> late teens, is almost that for Modern Humans', the depletion in   
   >>>>> cro-magnon species population will not be compensated for.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> For a long while, they'd only be hunted down and eaten, but the   
   >>>>> time will arrive that I called it 30 years back, "the Fuck'N Eat   
   >>>>> Combo" period, where fast food restaurants will provide young women   
   >>>>> for customers to fuck and then eat them.   
   >>>>>   
      
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