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   > asked and never got it directly from them. It was Libya which lent 8   
   > Scuds to Iran, 6 of which Iran used immediately to hit Baghdad with,   
   > which contributed very much in Saddam's stopping to hit Tehran with   
   > missiles. Libya in turn purchased 8 more from North Korea.   
   >   
   > The remaining 2 after using 6 of them were reversed engineered and   
   > turned into improved 1st generation Shahab-1 :) They were short range   
   > and very inaccurate, good only to make it somewhere to the city where   
   > the target was :) Hehe :) But they had a mighty one ton payloads!.. They   
   > did deliver effective messages to Saddam. Hitting Iran with missiles   
   > completely stopped.   
   >   
   > But despite their shortcomings, they were still a bit better than what   
   > Libya gave Iran. I believe they traveled about 100 km farther. So   
   > instead of taking Scuds to the border right under Iraqi's noses to fire   
   > them, Shahab-1 could be fired from hidden places inside a city or   
   > village or something in safer places. So Shahab-1 was indeed a good   
   > improvement.   
   >   
   > Anyway, I do not remember Korea giving Iran Scuds despite the fact that   
   > the Leader (he was president back then) traveled to Korea in person to   
   > ask for them. And I remember Hafez Assad only offered training on their   
   > usages but could not give a few to Iran, stating that Soviets didn't   
   > allow it. Syrians had the original scuds from Russia, which weren't   
   > called Scuds. Russian originals were called R-11. And Russians called   
   > Iranian Shahab-1 slight variation as R-17 Elbrus (the Elbrus pointing to   
   > Iran's Alborz stretch of mountains).   
   >   
   > And NATO of course had their own jargon for each of these missiles.   
   >   
   > So.. . If Iran is attacked again in this day and age, North Korea might   
   > do more than what they did 40 years back. Therefore I think what they   
   > said today is significant.   
   >   
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   I have no doubt why North Korea is doing this. They've come to the same   
   understanding as Iran has come for at least 15 years. They now know,   
   that if they do not stop Nazis somewhere inside or close to where Nazis   
   are, one day they'd have to fight them inside North Korea. This is what   
   Nazis are, and many people in the world do not know that. I think even   
   China and India do not know that. They do not understand Nazis, yet.   
      
   This does not mean they do not help fighting them when things get   
   critical for their allies. They do. They do rarely go that far, and only   
   that far. But they aren't being directly threatened by the Nazis   
   presently. So they're not doing anything about them in "peace" time, so   
   to speak.   
      
   But I think Iran will have North Koreans' backing. Again, it is a matter   
   of little guys and big guys. Other friends can later include Pakestan   
   and Afghanestan. This of course does not include secret backing of Iran   
   by big guys like China and perhaps even India when things get really tough.   
      
   Russia is out, as they're pro-Israel. Their only use for Iran is in   
   bartering mundane equipment with Iran in days of reciprocal need, but   
   never stuff that they think Iran will for sure use to gravely hurt   
   Israel. China (and perhaps even India) is different. China is not   
   pro-Israel in the same fanatical way as Russia is. China can help you   
   kill Israelis if needed, and they might even do it themselves.   
      
   I have a hunch this actually happened in this 12 day war.   
      
   Do you remember that I posted here something right before the start of   
   the so-called "surprise" war, that several Chinese aircraft had begun   
   flying toward Iran? These fighter jets entered Iran's eastern air space,   
   sometimes turning their ADSB equipment on, and sometimes keeping them   
   off. The enthusiasts who detect and follow air traffic began spotting   
   them from day 3 into the war and on, but intermittently. This is when   
   all the missiles had started to be launched from only the eastern parts   
   of Iran because many of the western parts' launchers where hit by   
   Israelis jets (be it most of them were just decoys). But Iran stayed   
   capable of launching missiles from the eastern part till the end of the   
   war!   
      
   Those who noticed this (several admins in telegram news sources) were of   
   the opinion that the reason for that was nothing but Israeli planes not   
   having enough fuel to fly that far east. But this is bullshit. Iran's   
   radars on the western parts were also hit ("be it most of them were just   
   decoys"), so all those planes that carried fuel for Israeli jets were   
   also inside Iran's west side. Israeli jets as far as fuel was concerned   
   could easily reach east Iran. Why didn't they bomb the launchers located   
   in eastern Iran?   
      
   I think the reason is that, Chinese fighter jets shot each and every one   
   of them that entered into eastern skies, with the exception of only one   
   or two which managed to bomb Mashhad. Israelis (i.e. Americans) must've   
   found out that they have to perform dogfights with Chinese jets first,   
   before being able to bomb and destroy the launchers on the east side, so   
   it dawned on them, for the fist time, that they cannot stop the flow of   
   missiles from Iran to Israel no matter what they do. It would be as hard   
   as having literally an air war with China.   
      
   That's when Israel asked USA to stop the war.   
      
   I think this happened. So I think China helps when help is badly needed,   
   but since China herself does not feel threatened by Nazis, she's not as   
   concerned about them as little nations and countries like Iran and North   
   Korea are.   
      
   But Russia?   
      
   As I described above, they did and have been doing exactly what I said   
   above. Since the end of the war, they've been sending two large military   
   cargo planes to Iran every 24 hours, accompanied by a few of Iran's   
   Tomcats and Mig-29s, who come in and empty their cargo and fly back to   
   Russia either empty or with something Iran is supplying them with.   
   Nobody knows what is being traded. But I bet my boots they're nothing   
   out of ordinary. I don't think they're uranium.   
      
   When Russians helped Iran with H-bomb know-how beginning in November of   
   2023 (This is what only I think - I have not seen even one Iranian or   
   non-Iranian mentioning this) they were absolutely sure Iran would not   
   use them on Israel, but would only use them to create a mutual balance   
   with Israel, which enhances peace and in fact prevents a nuclear war.   
      
   That's why Russia did that. They did it for the sake of Israelis, not   
   Iranians.   
      
   This isn't something only in my head. First off, when it began, I found   
   two obscure news sources mentioning that a large number of Iranian   
   scientists and engineers had gone to Moscow for "training" inside   
   Kurchatov Institute. This is all they said. The rest of it is nothing   
   but my own processing of that info. I have not seen anything about it   
   since then.   
      
   Anyway, my point is that Russians will NOT fight Israelis no matter   
   what, especially for Iran. Never! They never kill Israelis. They will   
   not help Iran fight Israelis effectively. What they did in that H-bomb   
   matter was only to protect Israel from a nuclear war, cause H-bombs can   
   do that. They can prevent nuclear wars. But China is a different beast.   
   She _can_ and I think did fight Israelis. China _would_ kill Israelis,   
   if Iran is seriously threatened by them.   
      
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