XPost: sci.skeptic, alt.paranormal, alt.conspiracy   
   XPost: alt.atheism   
   From: Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com   
      
   On 12/1/2025 9:18 AM, Sylvia Else wrote:   
   > On 01-Dec-25 2:27 am, JTEM wrote:   
   >> On 11/30/25 1:48 AM, Sylvia Else wrote:   
   >>   
   >>>> Okay, from THIS point of view, based on everything you have   
   >>>> always been taught about physics, no information is traveling   
   >>>> through time FOR THE PHOTONS. Only us. From our perspective   
   >>>> it is, from the perspective of the photon it isn't.   
   >>   
   >>> This doesn't even get close to the issue, since any paradoxes are   
   >>> seen in the measured outcomes, not the photons themselves.   
   >>   
   >> No. Einstein said that time is relative. It's not the same everywhere   
   >> for everyone and everything.   
   >>   
   >> The retrocausality is real. The cause is following the effect. But   
   >> only for us. Only because we have a very different perspective. But   
   >> it's real. Our observations are correct. It is retrocausality.   
   >>   
   >> But not for the photon. Everything is always happening at the same   
   >> place, at the same time. For the photon. But not us.   
   >>   
   >>   
   >   
   > Popular science media like to portray these experiments as having   
   > interference patterns present, or not present on screens, and arguing   
   > for retro causality.   
   >   
   > In reality, no interference patterns appear on screens, inter-alia,   
   > because there are no screens.   
   >   
   > The interference patterns are plots produced by analysing the recorded   
   > data, which can only be done after the data has been recorded.   
   >   
   > Sylvia.   
   >>   
   >>   
   >   
      
   Hi Sylvia!   
      
   As I have already pointed to JTEM (who continually ignores scientific   
   facts), proper time is an invariant quantity:   
      
   https://phys.libretexts.org/Courses/Skidmore_College/Introductio   
   _to_General_Relativity/01%3A_Special_Relativity/1.02%3A_The_Spacetime_Interval   
      
   And, so, no, time is not (completely) relative!   
      
   Dawn   
      
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