XPost: comp.lang.misc, sci.physics.relativity   
   From: PointedEars@web.de   
      
   Janis Papanagnou wrote:   
   > On 2025-12-04 07:50, Thomas Heger wrote:   
   >> Am Mittwoch000003, 03.12.2025 um 08:02 schrieb Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn:   
   >>> Thomas Heger wrote:   
   >>>> Did you know, that 'von [Neumann] architecture'   
   >>> [...]   
   >>>> was actually invented and patented by Konrad Zuse in Germany in the   
   >>>> early 1930th?   
   >>>   
   >>> NOT true.  Von Neumann's architecture "was based on the work of J.   
   >>> Presper Eckert and John Mauchly, inventors of ENIAC and its successor,   
   >>> EDVAC."   
   >>>   
   >>> https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zuse_Z3   
   >>   
   >> Didn't you know, that 1937 was much earlier than the Eniac in 1945?   
   >   
   > That's the date of the Z1, isn't it? - The Z3 came later, 1941.   
      
   Twice wrong (according to the Wikipedia articles about them).   
      
   > While concepts of modern computers where already exiting in Z1   
   > the first reliably running computer system was the Z3, AFAIK.   
      
   It was a *digital* computer, but NOT the first *electronic* computer.   
      
   > Yes, before the ENIAC.   
      
   The ENIAC (completed in 1945) was (arguably) the first digital *electronic*   
   computer:   
      
   * Z1 (1936-1938):   
     "motor-driven mechanical computer"   
        
      
   * Z2 (1940):   
     "electromechanical (mechanical and relay-based) digital computer"   
        
      
   * Z3 (1938-1941):   
     "electromechanical computer [...] the world's first working programmable,   
      fully automatic digital computer"   
        
      
   * Z4 (1942):   
     "arguably the world's first commercial digital computer [...] Like the   
     earlier Z2, it comprised a combination of mechanical memory and   
     electromechanical logic."   
        
      
   * ENIAC (1945):   
     "first programmable, electronic, general-purpose digital computer"   
        
      
   * EDVAC (1946-1952):   
     "one of the earliest electronic computers [...] binary rather than   
     decimal, and was designed to be a stored-program computer".   
        
      
   * Z5 (1950-1953):   
     "the first commercial built-to-order mainframe in Germany"   
        
      
   > And the plans for the Z3 were of course designed before their initial   
   operation in 1941, and based on   
   > concepts also of its predecessors.   
   >   
   > But yes, history was widely misrepresented and ignoring those!   
      
   Nonsense.   
      
   > [conspiracy theories/historical inaccuracies]   
   >   
   > (I wonder whether any of above newsgroups is relevant for that topic.)   
      
   At most comp.lang.misc is regarding the computer-scientific part; but   
   Thomas Heger keeps ignoring the Followup-To that I set, and keeps   
   crossposting without Followup-To themselves.  You are doing the latter,   
   too.   
      
   Honi soit qui mal y pense.   
      
   F'up2 comp.lang.misc again   
      
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