XPost: comp.lang.misc, sci.physics.relativity   
   From: PointedEars@web.de   
      
   Thomas Heger wrote:   
   > Am Donnerstag000004, 04.12.2025 um 09:57 schrieb Janis Papanagnou:   
     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^   
   Your newsreader is still broken/misconfigured.  How is it possible that you   
   have *still* not noticed yet that it produces broken attribution lines like   
   these?  (The fact aside that most of the information there is superfluous.)   
      
   Maybe you should focus more on *your* output instead :->   
      
   >>>>> Did you know, that 'von [Neumann] architecture'   
   >>>> [...]   
   >>>>> was actually invented and patented by Konrad Zuse in Germany in the   
   >>>>> early 1930th?   
   >>>>   
   >>>> NOT true.  Von Neumann's architecture "was based on the work of J.   
   >>>> Presper Eckert and John Mauchly, inventors of ENIAC and its successor,   
   >>>> EDVAC."   
   >>>   
   >>> https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zuse_Z3   
   >>>   
   >>> Didn't you know, that 1937 was much earlier than the Eniac in 1945?   
   >>   
   >> That's the date of the Z1, isn't it? - The Z3 came later, 1941.   
   >   
   > Sure, but the first computer using 'von Neumann architecture' was   
   > actually the Z1 of 1937.   
      
   Irrelevant (regarding to your original argument):   
      
   > https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Von-Neumann-Architektur   
   > quote   
   >   
   > "   
   > Viele Ideen der Von-Neumann-Architektur waren schon 1936 von Konrad Zuse   
   > ausgearbeitet, in zwei Patentschriften 1937 dokumentiert und   
   > größtenteils bereits 1938 in der Z1-Maschine mechanisch realisiert   
   > worden. 1941 baute Konrad Zuse in Zusammenarbeit mit Helmut Schreyer mit   
   > der Zuse Z3 den ersten funktionsfähigen Digitalrechner der Welt. Es gilt   
   > aber als unwahrscheinlich, dass von Neumann die Arbeiten Zuses kannte,   
   > als er 1945 seine Architektur vorstellte. "   
   >   
   > translated by google   
   > "Many ideas of von Neumann's architecture had already been developed by   
   > Konrad Zuse in 1936, documented in two patents in 1937, and largely   
   > implemented mechanically in the Z1 machine by 1938. In 1941, Konrad   
   > Zuse, in collaboration with Helmut Schreyer, built the Zuse Z3, the   
   > world's first functional digital computer. However, it is considered   
   > unlikely that von Neumann was aware of Zuse's work when he presented his   
   > architecture in 1945."   
   >   
   > BUT: nobody gives a shit, whether or not someone knows about proir   
   > rights (or not).   
      
   It is clear that *you* don't "give a shit" because this additional   
   information completely destroys your argument.  However, that is a fallacy.   
      
   > It is patently irrelevant, whether von Neumann knew the patents of Zuse   
   > (or not).   
      
   No, that is actually the core issue here.   
      
   > But theft is still theft, even if it is for the sake of national pride.   
      
   There was no theft.  You are delusional.   
      
   F'up2 comp.lang.misc again   
      
   (With your newsreader [Thunderbird], you have to *manually* *add* back* the   
   original groups in order to keep crossposting without Followup-To.  So this   
   is not or a newsreader bug, but *malice* on your part, perhaps out of   
   delusions of grandeur.  JFYI: Your postings are *NOT* *that* *important*   
   that you have to blast them to 3 newsgroups *continuously*, only one of   
   which has to do with the topic of the discussion.)   
      
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