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   Billy Bob Johnson to _Gk8P.38709$bYV2.19808@fx17.iad   
   Re: Senate Democrats push plan to abolis   
   17 Dec 24 23:18:13   
   
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   From: yayhoo@x.com   
      
   In <_Gk8P.38709$bYV2.19808@fx17.iad> a425couple wrote:   
   >   
   > On 12/17/24 00:52, Blue Lives Matter wrote:   
   >> On Tue, 17 Dec 2024 04:42:06 +0000 (UTC), Sanity Returns   
   >>  wrote:   
   >>   
   >>> Three Democratic senators unveiled a constitutional amendment to abolish   
   >>> the Electoral College system Monday, just more than a month after   
   >>> President-elect Trump stunned the Democrats by sweeping all seven   
   >>> battleground states, knocking off three Senate Democratic incumbents in   
   >>> the process.   
   >>>   
   >>> Sens. Brian Schatz (D-Hawaii,) Dick Durbin (D-Ill.) and Peter Welch (D-   
   >>> Vt.), three leading progressive Senate voices, say it’s time to   
   â€œrestore   
   >>> democracy” by allowing for the direct election of presidents through   
   the   
   >>> popular vote alone.   
   >>>   
   >>> The senators are troubled that the Electoral College has twice elected a   
   >>> candidate who didn’t win the popular vote in the past 19 years. In   
   both   
   >>> those instances, a Republican captured the White House — George W.   
   Bush in   
   >>> the 2000 election and Trump in the 2016 election.   
   >>>   
   >>> “In an election, the person who gets the most votes should win.   
   It’s that   
   >>> simple,” Schatz said. “No one’s vote should count for   
   more based on where   
   >>> they live. The Electoral College is outdated and it’s undemocratic.   
   It’s   
   >>> time to end it.”   
   >>>   
   >>> To be sure, Trump would have still won the 2024 election if it had been   
   >>> decided by popular vote.   
   >>>   
   >>> He collected 77,300,739 votes compared to Vice President Harris’s   
   >>> 75,014,534.   
   >>>   
   >>> But many Democrats think that they would have had a better chance to beat   
   >>> Trump if they had a reason to focus on running up the margin of   
   Harris’s   
   >>> victory in populous Democratic strongholds such as California, Illinois   
   >>> and New York.   
   >>>   
   >>> Republicans, however, also have big, populous states squarely in their   
   >>> column, namely Florida and Texas.   
   >>>   
   >>> Durbin, the chair of the Senate Judiciary Committee, argued that the   
   >>> Electoral College “disenfranchises millions of Americans.”   
   >>>   
   >>> “In 2000, before the general election, I introduced a bipartisan   
   >>> resolution to amend the Constitution and abolish the electoral college. I   
   >>> still believe today that it’s time to retire this 18th century   
   invention,”   
   >>> he said.   
   >>>   
   >>> Democrats are worried that it has become increasingly difficult to win on   
   >>> the presidential ticket in battleground states while advocating for the   
   >>> progressive agenda that candidates need to embrace in the primary to   
   >>> appeal to the party’s base.   
   >>>   
   >>> “It’s always worth reminding people: It’s really hard   
   for Democrats to win   
   >>> battleground states, OK?” David Plouffe, a senior adviser to   
   Harris’s   
   >>> presidential campaign, told Crooked Media’s “Pod Save   
   America” last month.   
   >>>   
   >>> “Let’s look at Pennsylvania: 25 percent of the electorate is   
   liberal,   
   >>> roughly, 34 percent is conservative,” Plouffe explained. “So   
   in every   
   >>> battleground state, there’s more conservatives than liberals.”   
   >>>   
   >>> Democrats felt all the more demoralized by Harris’s loss because she   
   >>> dramatically outspent Trump, raising $1 billion for her campaign while a   
   >>> super PAC supporting her, Future Forward, raised nearly another $1   
   >>> billion.   
   >>>   
   >>> Harris lost in all seven of the presidential battleground states,   
   >>> including the three states that made up the “blue wall”:   
   Michigan,   
   >>> Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.   
   >>>   
   >>> Welch called the Electoral College “outdated and flawed.”   
   >>>   
   >>> “Our democracy is at its strongest when everyone’s voice is   
   heard — and   
   >>> right now our elections aren’t as representative as they should be   
   because   
   >>> of the outdated and flawed electoral college. I’m excited to   
   partner with   
   >>> my friends and colleagues Senator Schatz and Chair Durbin on this   
   >>> important constitutional amendment, which will help empower every voter in   
   >>> every state,” he said.   
   >>>   
   >>> Former first lady and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton called for   
   >>> abolishing the Electoral College after she won the popular vote but lost   
   >>> the vote of the Electoral College in the 2016 presidential election.   
   >>>   
      
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