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   Horse Pickle to All   
   So, That's the Dem Who Pretty Much Cause   
   05 Mar 25 01:51:04   
   
   XPost: alt.politics.trump, sac.politics, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh   
   XPost: talk.politics.guns   
   From: for_aoc@brooklyn.com   
      
   As Jeff wrote today, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky caved.   
   Following his disastrous Oval Office meeting last Friday, he’s crawling   
   back to President Donald Trump and will reportedly sign the minerals   
   deal after hurling that agreement into doubt. Trump will announce that   
   during his address to Congress later this evening.   
      
      
   It was a self-inflicted political gunshot wound; the man looked down the   
   barrel of his own gun and got a face-full of buckshot. Only the densest,   
   most anti-Trump commentators blamed Trump; everyone else knew better.   
   It’s why there’s been no blowback—Zelensky recognized that he didn’t   
   have the cards. So, what caused this meltdown? Why did Zelensky think he   
   was the cock of the walk which led to a diplomatic implosion of epic   
   proportions for the Ukrainians? The answer is simple: he spoke to   
   Democrats, very dumb Democrats, like Sen. Chris Murphy (D-CT), who   
   remains undefeated in sniffing his own farts (via NY Post):   
      
   Before meeting Trump, Zelensky met with anti-Trump Democrats who advised   
   him to reject the terms of the mineral deal the president was offering,   
   according to Sen. Chris Murphy (D-Conn.).   
      
   “Just finished a meeting with President Zelensky here in Washington. He   
   confirmed that the Ukrainian people will not support a fake peace   
   agreement where Putin gets everything he wants and there are no security   
   arrangements for Ukraine,” Murphy’s office posted on X at 11:15 a.m.   
   Friday.   
      
   He attached a picture of Zelensky at a conference table, with Murphy   
   seated on the opposite side.   
      
   […]   
      
   The earlier meeting with Dems undercuts wild claims that Trump and Vice   
   President J.D. Vance staged an ambush. In fact, it was Zelensky who came   
   with an ulterior motive.   
      
   The purpose of the meeting was to sign the mineral agreement he and   
   Trump representatives had negotiated. He had twice refused to sign it   
   after promising to, and thanks to Murphy, we now know he had no   
   intention of signing it Friday.   
      
   By listening to the nakedly partisan advice of Dems instead of dealing   
   forthrightly with the current president, Zelensky betrayed his   
   countrymen and, for now at least, leaves them without the military and   
   diplomatic protection that only America can provide.   
      
   Good luck counting on Britain, France and the rest of Europe to save   
   Ukraine. Maybe the Germans will send strudel.   
      
   In a perverse way, Murphy and other Dems got the outcome they wanted.   
   The fireworks at the White House gave them an excuse to replay their   
   Russia Russia Russia hoax.   
      
   Once again, they and their media handmaidens are dishonestly insisting   
   that Trump is in Vladimir Putin’s camp.   
      
   […]   
      
   Zelensky, who privately agreed to the terms, has every right to demand a   
   security agreement — up to a point. But he didn’t get one and his   
   decision to respond by insulting the president and vice president,   
   interrupting them and waving off their responses, was madness.   
      
   As Trump noted, the heated jabs made for great television, but it was a   
   disaster for Ukraine and a gift to Putin.   
      
   Zelensky had an opportunity to apologize to Trump in a later interview   
   with Brett Baier on Fox, but repeatedly refused to do so, saying “I’m   
   not sure we did something bad.”   
      
   Recommended   
      
   We Know How Voters Reacted to Trump's Address to Congress. Dems Are in   
   Serious Trouble.   
   Matt Vespa   
   That’s some House of Cards stuff on behalf of Democrats: trot out   
   someone who you’ve slobbered over for years, Zelensky who some hailed as   
   Churchill reloaded, only to use him as bait to recycle the Russian   
   collusion talking points that no one cares or buys anymore except the   
   exceptionally moronic dregs of the Democratic Party’s base.   
      
      
   That’s wicked stuff. The support for the war in Ukraine is cratering.   
   Trump’s win in 2024 should’ve signaled to Zelensky that there was a   
   shift. And maybe he did realize this. He could read the room, but as   
   Michael Goodwin in The New York Post noted, it was the wrong one.   
      
   Even Marc Thiessen, a Ukraine war supporter, placed all the blame on the   
   Ukrainian leader, where he said he had to fix this mess or resign:   
      
      
   Also, Ukraine saw that Europe was all talk, no action. They don’t have   
   the resources to do what we can. Period. Which is another point of   
   contention with these Eurotrash countries who secretly hate us. At this   
   point, I’d be okay letting that whole continent burn.   
      
   https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2025/03/04/it-seems-zele   
   sky-did-the-read-the-room-but-it-was-the-wrong-one-n2653225   
      
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