XPost: or.politics, rec.aviation.military   
   From: smharding@verizon.net   
      
   On 7/5/25 10:47 AM, Baxter wrote:   
   > Stephen Harding  wrote in news:104b21q$1f4b1$1   
   > @dont-email.me:   
   >   
   >> On 7/4/25 10:46 PM, Baxter wrote:   
   >>> Stephen Harding  wrote in   
   >>> news:1049c3e$1070j$1@dont-email.me:   
   >>>   
   >>>> On 7/4/25 11:31 AM, a425couple wrote:   
   >>>>> On 7/4/25 08:05, Baxter wrote:   
   >>>>>    > What are we celebrating?   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> We are celebrating the fact that we have made ourselves a free   
   >>>>> people, and as such, free to accept what we believe to be the truth.   
   >>>>> We do not have to accept what a King dictates.  We do not have   
   >>>>> to accept what liars named Clinton, Obama, Biden, Harris, Schumer,   
   >>>>> Jeffries, MSNBC, or CNN tell us.  We are able to accept what   
   >>>>> we believe to be the truth, and make decisions that will give   
   >>>>> us a better future.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>> Are we celebrating the fact that our Democracy is fragile? That   
   >>>>>> there may NOT be any more elections?   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Why do you keep spouting that horrible lie?   
   >>>>> You have believed too many lies.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Given we constantly hear from Democrats that Trump lies in everything   
   >>>> and cannot thus be believed, I don't understand the "end of   
   > democracy"   
   >>>> crap making the rounds from liberal-progressives.  Why do you believe   
   >>>> Trump is going to end democracy?  Because he says he'd like to run   
   > for   
   >>>> a third term?  You believer that will happen?   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Why do you believe Trump is going to make Canada the 51st state, or   
   >>>> annex Greenland or change the name of the Gulf of Mexico to the Gulf   
   >>>> of America?   
   >>>>   
   >>>> If he lies about everything, why get bent out of shape about such   
   >>>> statements that one knows are not going to happen (at least during   
   >>>> this Trump administration).  Why lose sleep over the "end of   
   >>>> democracy"?   
   >>>>   
   >>>> The end of American democracy will probably come at some point, but   
   >>>> more likely from demagogues on the Left rather than authoritarians on   
   >>>> the Right.   
   >>>>   
   >>> Democracy ends when the President rules by Executive Order.   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >> The recently passed budget became law via one tie breaking vote.  It   
   > was   
   >> not an executive order.   
   >   
   > the Budget is not the only "law" of this Administration. tRump has issued   
   > 166 Executive orders so far this year.   
   >>   
   >> The Courts are still a means of restraining executive orders that might   
   >> over-reach.   
   >>   
   > The SCOTUS is twisting themselves into pretzels to sanctify tRump's   
   > lawlessness.   
   >   
   > Let's take an example - tRump's ending Birthright Citizenship. SCOTUS has   
   > not directly ruled on that issue, but has allowed it to be in effect   
   > everywhere not actively being challenged in lower courts - and   
   > injunctions only apply to litigants - so it is de facto law.   
      
   Birthright citizenship is specifically mentioned in the 14th amendment   
   and won't go away via executive order.  It would require a new amendment   
   withdrawing that right and would need to be ratified by 2/3 of the House   
   and Senate and 2/3 of the states.  It's purposely difficult to add   
   constitutional amendments.   
      
   The Supreme Court has simply ruled that lower courts cannot issue nation   
   wide injunctions on policies of an administration.  The Supreme Court   
   has previously upheld birthright citizenship and I presume when a   
   litigant gets to the Supreme Court, it will be upheld again.   
      
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