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   From: bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com   
      
   Stephen Harding  wrote in   
   news:104dtvb$270tj$1@dont-email.me:   
      
   > On 7/5/25 10:47 AM, Baxter wrote:   
   >> Stephen Harding  wrote in news:104b21q$1f4b1$1   
   >> @dont-email.me:   
   >>   
   >>> On 7/4/25 10:46 PM, Baxter wrote:   
   >>>> Stephen Harding  wrote in   
   >>>> news:1049c3e$1070j$1@dont-email.me:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> On 7/4/25 11:31 AM, a425couple wrote:   
   >>>>>> On 7/4/25 08:05, Baxter wrote:   
   >>>>>>    > What are we celebrating?   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> We are celebrating the fact that we have made ourselves a free   
   >>>>>> people, and as such, free to accept what we believe to be the   
   >>>>>> truth. We do not have to accept what a King dictates.  We do not   
   >>>>>> have to accept what liars named Clinton, Obama, Biden, Harris,   
   >>>>>> Schumer, Jeffries, MSNBC, or CNN tell us.  We are able to accept   
   >>>>>> what we believe to be the truth, and make decisions that will   
   >>>>>> give us a better future.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Are we celebrating the fact that our Democracy is fragile? That   
   >>>>>>> there may NOT be any more elections?   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Why do you keep spouting that horrible lie?   
   >>>>>> You have believed too many lies.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Given we constantly hear from Democrats that Trump lies in   
   >>>>> everything and cannot thus be believed, I don't understand the   
   >>>>> "end of   
   >> democracy"   
   >>>>> crap making the rounds from liberal-progressives.  Why do you   
   >>>>> believe Trump is going to end democracy?  Because he says he'd   
   >>>>> like to run   
   >> for   
   >>>>> a third term?  You believer that will happen?   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Why do you believe Trump is going to make Canada the 51st state,   
   >>>>> or annex Greenland or change the name of the Gulf of Mexico to the   
   >>>>> Gulf of America?   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> If he lies about everything, why get bent out of shape about such   
   >>>>> statements that one knows are not going to happen (at least during   
   >>>>> this Trump administration).  Why lose sleep over the "end of   
   >>>>> democracy"?   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> The end of American democracy will probably come at some point,   
   >>>>> but more likely from demagogues on the Left rather than   
   >>>>> authoritarians on the Right.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>> Democracy ends when the President rules by Executive Order.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>> The recently passed budget became law via one tie breaking vote.  It   
   >> was   
   >>> not an executive order.   
   >>   
   >> the Budget is not the only "law" of this Administration. tRump has   
   >> issued 166 Executive orders so far this year.   
   >>>   
   >>> The Courts are still a means of restraining executive orders that   
   >>> might over-reach.   
   >>>   
   >> The SCOTUS is twisting themselves into pretzels to sanctify tRump's   
   >> lawlessness.   
   >>   
   >> Let's take an example - tRump's ending Birthright Citizenship. SCOTUS   
   >> has not directly ruled on that issue, but has allowed it to be in   
   >> effect everywhere not actively being challenged in lower courts - and   
   >> injunctions only apply to litigants - so it is de facto law.   
   >   
   > Birthright citizenship is specifically mentioned in the 14th amendment   
   > and won't go away via executive order.  It would require a new   
   > amendment withdrawing that right and would need to be ratified by 2/3   
   > of the House and Senate and 2/3 of the states.  It's purposely   
   > difficult to add constitutional amendments.   
   >   
   > The Supreme Court has simply ruled that lower courts cannot issue   
   > nation wide injunctions on policies of an administration.  The Supreme   
   > Court has previously upheld birthright citizenship and I presume when   
   > a litigant gets to the Supreme Court, it will be upheld again.   
   >   
   And because of SCOTUS, some newborns will be called "illegal aliens" and   
   deported.  You think that's hyperbole?  It's not.  And even if they don't   
   get deported, benefits that accrue to newborn citizens will be denied.   
      
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