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   any land given to them is used as terrorism infrastructure for a larger   
   war. Yet geniuses are confused why Israel is reluctant to do the same   
   with the West Bank.   
      
   Falous 7h   
   What part? Oh the part that isn't seeing through Nationalist -Partisan   
   crazed glasses.   
   Given Gaza is like Third Reich giving Sovs eastern Poland. Occupation is   
   not gifting.   
   And given Israel actively exploited Hamas to weaken Fatah the idea that   
   Gaza is the proof that West Bank needs to be occupied is.... amusing to   
   me as usual rabid partisans spin on Their Team action.   
      
   This in no way however to anticipate the frothing at mouth follow-up   
   that is likely implies on my part that I see Fateh or PA as great   
   parties (or even particularly competent) but engaging in   
   self-justification on W. Bank is only convincing to your Pre Sold   
   partisan nationalist views.   
      
   Frankly if everyone on both sides got pushed into boats and sailed off   
   to Madagascar to fight idiot proxy war there I'd be as happy.   
      
   Arrr Bee 7h   
   Ridiculous metaphor. Israel gave the Gaza Strip to the Palestinian   
   Authority in 2005. It's the Hamas proxy army of the Islamic Republic of   
   Iran that carried out a coup in 2007, murdering the Palestinian   
   government and security officials, and turning it into a forward   
   operating base for Iranian terrorism adjacent to sovereign Israel.   
      
   There is no Palestinian leadership that isn't genocidal. You have the   
   Soviet-style kleptocratic Fatah in the West Bank, and the ISIS style   
   kleptocratic Hamas in Gaza, and zero Palestinian leadership that isn't   
   sociopathic, genocide happy ethnic cleansers.   
      
   Otherwise, if your Pals cared for a state they would have had one   
   confirmed by the UN on October 29 1947, just like Israel. But no, their   
   pathetic Arab Supremacism is driving them through 105 years of   
   attempting a genocide and ethnic cleansing of Jews from Israel. You're   
   invited to fuck off, personally.   
      
   George Carty 3hEdited   
      
   Israelis and Palestinians are like matter and antimatter, both created   
   in the exact same historical moment in 1948. You're likely correct that   
   it is impossible for Israel to make peace with Palestinians qua   
   Palestinians, as the entire Palestinian national identity is based on   
   Israel's negation.   
      
   Germany could be de-Nazified because the Nazis did not create Germany in   
   the first place: it had already existed as a unified nation-state for 62   
   years when the Nazis took it over, and the Germans had been recognized   
   as a people for centuries, since the Diet of Cologne in 1512 declared   
   the "Heiliges Römisches Reich Deutscher Nation".   
      
   By contrast the the Palestinian national identity was born out of   
   anti-Zionist struggle, beginning with the 1920 Nabi Musa riots when the   
   rioters declared that "Faisal is our King", showing that at this point   
   they still identified as Syrians. If the Zionist movement had never   
   existed then there would be no "Palestinians" either: the Arab   
   population of Jerusalem, Nablus and Gaza would likely still call   
   themselves Syrians (or perhaps Jordanians, if a Sykes-Picot type   
   partition had still taken place).   
      
   A minor correction about Hamas: while Hezbollah and the Houthis have   
   always been proxy armies of the Islamic Republic of Iran, Hamas was not,   
   at least not in 2007 (and it later supported the rebels in the Syrian   
   Civil War, while Iran and Hezbollah of course supported Assad). It was   
   only in the late-2010s that Hamas turned to Iran out of desperation,   
   after being abandoned by most of its Arab allies.   
      
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