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   From: muratlanne@gmail.com   
      
   "a425couple"  wrote in message news:VD8nR.185855$0t3.138722@fx24.iad...   
      
   I had the distinct privilege of spending two weeks in   
   mainland China in 2017.  Very interesting, eye opening,   
   pleasant, and informative.  There is no doubt, they have   
   made massive gains in feeding, transporting, clothing,   
   and housing their population. They made sure to   
   transport us by rail, plane (still Boeing & Airbus),   
   bus on new freeways, and boat.   
      
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   The reforms Lenin made when by-the-book Communism led to starvation had the   
   potential to do the same for Russia but the combination of his strokes,   
   incompetent managers and loyalty to Marxist dogma undermined them.   
   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Economic_Policy   
   "Lenin characterized the NEP in 1922 as an economic system that would   
   include "a free market and capitalism, both subject to state control", while   
   socialized state enterprises would operate on "a profit basis".   
      
   Stalin was unsuccessful at implementing them and tried to modernize through   
   threats and repression instead, which China repeated and failed at.   
   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Leap_Forward   
      
   China has a long history of rising to greatness and then collapsing.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)