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   On Mar 20, 5:47 pm, acous...@panix.com (lo yeeOn) wrote:   
   > Why did so many Iraqis have to die just because we see Saddam as a   
   > "monster"?   
   >   
   > An Iraqi in exile Karl Sharro @KarlreMarks said:   
   >   
   >     The invasion of Iraq forced my entire family there to leave   
   >     permanently and I don't know when will I see it again. Sorry for   
   >     not cheering.   
   >   
   > Who are we, Americans and British under Bush and Blair, to tell Karl   
   > that he and his entire family should lose their home and their country   
   > just because we said Saddam was a "monster"?   
   >   
   > In article ,   
   >   
   > bmo...@nyx.net  wrote:   
   > >On Mar 19, 7:35 pm, acous...@panix.com (lo yeeOn) wrote:   
   > >> Blair is still bluffing: "...how can you regret removing somebody who   
   > >> was a monster, who created enormous carnage?"   
   >   
   > >> When you hear this kind of response, you begin to wonder how true any   
   > >> single statement any of these warmongers have uttered in public can   
   > >> be.   
   >   
   > >Regardless, Saddam Hussein was indeed a monster. You're not really   
   > >denying that, are you?   
   >   
   > There is no "regardless"!  There is no excuse.  The problem, like   
   > others have pointed out, is that we are presiding over this massive   
   > killing and destruction in nation after nation, over and over again,   
   > precisely because the evil grabbers of other nations' assets continue   
   > to use this type of talk to stifle the dissent and the opposition and   
   > allow the murderers to go free.   
   >   
   > Regarding Saddam, what is the evidence for his alleged monsterhood?   
   > Mr. Blair didn't say.  And that's a big problem for me.   
   >   
   > And if you want to support that murderer, please provide enough facts   
   > to substantiate your accusation against Saddam.  It is not sufficient   
   > to ask rhetorical question when such a device is totally unacceptable,   
   > you know!   
   >   
   > Blair justified killing upwards of hundreds of thousands of Iraqis on   
   > the grounds that Saddam was a "monster".   
   >   
   > But monster for whom?   
   >   
   > There are monsters for little girls and boys, as well as illiterates.   
   > There are baba yagas for people from rural Russia!  They are all very   
   > scary creatures to the people who fear them.   
   >   
   > And there are 18 year-old monsters for mothers who lost their sons for   
   > no reasons other than the psychosis in those individuals who caused   
   > the suffering mothers eternal pain.   
   >   
   > And the CCP are "monsters" for Da Lama and his handlers like Terpstra.   
   >   
   > And finally, there are monsters for the warmonger politicians.   
   >   
   > So, exactly what kind of monster is Saddam to you?   
   >   
   > And should we go kill tens and tens of thousands more (and destroy   
   > their homes also) just because we have a target who is one or another   
   > of these different kinds of monsters?   
   >   
   > Why should people have to die just because we have a monster we can   
   > wag our little fingers (or our tails) at?   
   >   
   > In our own country, some of us exterminated the native American   
   > Indians and took their land, should we all now welcome some aliens to   
   > come and exterminate us?   
   >   
   > And our Civil War killed over a hundred thousand confederate soldiers   
   > alone and have miles and miles of home deliberately burned down by Abe   
   > Lincoln's generals in the South, should we call Abe a monster?   
   >   
   > According to the wikipedia:   
   >   
   >   [The American Civil War] remains the deadliest war in American   
   >   history, resulting in the deaths of an estimated 750,000 soldiers   
   >   and an undetermined number of civilian casualties. Historian John   
   >   Huddleston estimates the death toll at ten percent of all Northern   
   >   males 20-45 years old, and 30 percent of all Southern white males   
   >   aged 18-40.   
   >   
   > Should we therefore be saying:   
   >   
   >   "Abe was indeed a monster. You're not really denying that, are you?"   
   >   
   > If we have any sanity,   
      
   You *don't* have any sanity.   
      
   > we know that many accusations against Saddam   
   > are taken out of context.   
      
   This is why I ignore most of your blather. I have already stated that   
   the war wasn't "worth it". But you can't admit that Saddam was a   
   horror. You have stated that North Korea is a "proud nation" even as   
   the awful government is a parasite to its people.   
      
   What is wrong with you?   
      
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