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   On Mar 24, 9:24 pm, acous...@panix.com (lo yeeOn) wrote:   
   > I don't know of a "Yale Mar" to ask your question sauced in profanity.   
      
   Yale Mar is rst9, the insane retired Lockheed weapons engineer you   
   always support despite your "peace" image.   
      
   > I'm sorry.   
   >   
   > Ignoring my freedom of speech, bmoore threatened/instigated violence   
   > thus:   
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   >   ">Given your defense of not only Saddam, but Kadaffy and the North   
   >    >Korean monsters, you deserve to have the shit beaten out of you."   
   >   
   > This is a prime example of monsterhood, isn't it, when you can't even   
   > express a difference of opinion, without being physically threatened.   
      
   Hear about some of the things Saddam did to people who expressed a   
   difference of opinion? I didn't in any way prevent your freed om of   
   speech. Saddam killed people who spoke up.   
      
   And fool, I didn't threaten you. I said you deserve to "have the shit   
   beaten out of you" which you do for speaking of Saddam like you do.   
   It's truly sick.   
      
   Your "difference of opinion" is much more than that. But you're too   
   nuts to get it.   
      
   You put a lot of words in peoples' mouths and you are full of arrogant   
   bluster. Are you aware of that?   
      
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   > Shocking!!!   
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   > lo yeeOn   
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   > For more detail response to bmoore's violence and profanity, please   
   > read further.   
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   > In article <1ff403ba-7de2-40c0-8603-a0dcb2002...@5g2000yqz.googlegroups.com>,   
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   > bmo...@nyx.net  wrote:   
   > >On Mar 24, 5:26 pm, acous...@panix.com (lo yeeOn) wrote:   
   > >> In article   
   > >,   
   > >> bmo...@nyx.net  wrote:   
   > >> >On Mar 20, 5:47 pm, acous...@panix.com (lo yeeOn) wrote:   
   > >> >> Why did so many Iraqis have to die just because we see Saddam as a   
   > >> >> "monster"?   
   >   
   > >> >> An Iraqi in exile Karl Sharro @KarlreMarks said:   
   >   
   > >> >> The invasion of Iraq forced my entire family there to leave   
   > >> >> permanently and I don't know when will I see it again. Sorry for   
   > >> >> not cheering.   
   >   
   > >> >> Who are we, Americans and British under Bush and Blair, to tell Karl   
   > >> >> that he and his entire family should lose their home and their country   
   > >> >> just because we said Saddam was a "monster"?   
   >   
   > >I didn't say we should have invaded Iraq. I said Saddam was a monster,   
   > >and I am right.   
   >   
   > Just because you didn't say "we should have invaded Iraq" doesn't mean   
   > that you were opposed to the Iraq war at all.  All the indications is   
   > that it was merely a war "not worth it".  I think that your succinct   
   > reply of "of course it was not worth it" and your remark to me earlier   
   > saying "but Saddam was a monster" tells where your heart was and is.   
   >   
   > Plus, I have never seen you post anything to condemn the war and the   
   > other wars in the genre of "war on terror" or regret the deaths.   
   >   
   > It has no meaning to talk about whether it was "worth it" or not when   
   > the crime is so great to launch that world under the whopper lie!   
   >   
   >   The invasion of Iraq forced my entire family there to leave   
   >   permanently and I don't know when will I see it again. Sorry for not   
   >   cheering.   
   >   
   > Such a sentiment can be easily heard from many Iraqis' mouths today   
   > who are lucky enough to survive our shock-n-awe bombing campaigns.   
   >   
   > Why do we have so much to say about what they should or should not   
   > have Saddam around?  Saddam was not about to create another crisis.   
   > Iraq was minding its own business.  Iraq was at peace with itself and   
   > its neighbors, after the mishaps in 1990.  Haven't we done enough to   
   > defang Saddam's regime.  The answer was of course.  Except that we   
   > defanged his regime enough so that we could easily assault and invade   
   > the country on a hugely false and deliberately made-up lie.   
   >   
   > That kind of a war has no place for the talk of whether it was "worth   
   > it" to invade.   
   >   
   > It's not our prerogative to hoist the banner "but he was a monster"   
   > and use it as excuse to invade!   
   >   
   > To give you an example of why it is not.   
   >   
   > The wikipedia has a long biography of a Chinese general named Bai   
   > Chongxi who flourished under Chiang Kai-shek's rule.  And if you read   
   > the following paragraph, you can easily see that he is some kind of a   
   > "monster" like the Taliban and like Saddam.  Fortunately, he died in   
   > 1966, in Taipei, according to the wikipedia.  If he were alive and   
   > were living in Guangxi, those things that he did in the past would be   
   > enough for our neocons to build up a war against China.   
   >   
   > He talked just like a jihadist.  But Chiang Kai-shek accepted him and   
   > many of his contemporaries in China accept him.  Who are we to decide   
   > that because of him or what he did, that we should invade China?   
   >   
   >   During the Northern Expedition, in 1926 in Guangxi, Bai Chongxi led   
   >   his troops in destroying Buddhist temples and smashing idols,   
   >   turning the temples into schools and Kuomintang party   
   >   headquarters.[46] It was reported that almost all of Buddhist   
   >   monasteries in Guangxi were destroyed by Bai in this manner. The   
   >   monks were removed.[47]   
   >   
   >   Bai led a wave of anti-foreignism in Guangxi, attacking American,   
   >   European, and other foreigners and missionaries, and generally   
   >   making the province unsafe for foreigners. Westerners fled from the   
   >   province, and some Chinese Christians were also attacked as   
   >   imperialist agents.[48]   
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   >   . . .   
   >   
   >   Bai Chongxi was interested in Xinjiang, a predominately Muslim   
   >   province. He wanted to resettle disbanded Chinese soldiers there to   
   >   prevent it from being seized by the Soviet Union.[53] Bai gave a   
   >   speech in which he said that the minorities of China were suffering   
   >   under foreign oppression. He cited specific examples, such as the   
   >   Tibetans under the British, the Manchus under the Japanese, the   
   >   Mongols under the Outer Mongolian People's Republic, and the Uyghurs   
   >   of Xinjiang under the Soviet Union.   
   >   
   >   . . .   
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   >   
   > >> >You *don't* have any sanity.   
   >   
   > >> Hurling insults and non sequiturs in mid-sentence shows that you have   
   > >> no counter-argument.   
   >   
   > >Saddam was a monster. Go fuck yourself.   
   >   
   > Yes, by all account Saddam "was a monster", if you accept G W Bush and   
   > the Establishment's view of him.   
   >   
   > But if human history will have a say, he may not be worse than many   
   > generals, like Bai Chongxi, that have existed in history.  After all,   
      
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