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From: acoustic@panix.com
In article <424b0d93-25a1-484a-98d0-7d60888a2ffd@googlegroups.com>,
wrote:
>On Thursday, 13 June 2013 12:40:20 UTC+8, politi...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> Edward Snowden is leaving his fate to the HKers. "My intention is to
>ask the courts and people of Hong Kong to decide my fate," he said. It's
>a very smart move.
>>
>>
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>> He knows HK is a part of China but with a different political system.
>It is a system which the US would like China to have. Since HK's return
>to China in 1997, Western Powers have not ceased to hope and wish that
>HK's political system will eventually replace that of China's and not
>the other way round.
>>
>> Besides hoping and wishing, Western Powers have worked hard on HK. It
>has encouraged HK people to resist and defy the Mainland authority at
>every available opportunity. HKers are prodded to voice out and demo
>against the slightest perception of the Chinese meddling in their
>affairs. Everyone knows that HK is the Asia-Pacific center of many
>foreign espionage networks spying against China. Among their recruits
>are those Chinese dissidents which have left China. HK is the
>operational hub of those dissidents. Whether there for short visit or
>long stay, from there, they continue to sabotage China under the
>command of their foreign masters. This is most pleasing to the US. It
>cannot have enough of these.
>>
>>
>>
>> But one man is about to change all these. Edward Snowden has stirred
>up a snowstorm in the hot summer month of June in the US and sent a deep
>chill down the NSA. By choosing HK as his safe haven, the snowstorm has
>crossed the Pacific and is sending a deep chill down the spine of every
>spymaster on the island. In Edward Snowden, the US has its own
>dissident in HK. This is not just another US dissident, but one with
>important information about US cyber-espionage against every country in
>the world. More important, he knows a lot about the US cyber-espionage
>against China. Most important of all, he has information about how the
>US has been using HK to spy against China.
>>
>>
>>
>> So, what's now?
>>
>>
>>
>> If the US were to successfully force HK to handover Edward Snowden,
>what will follow?
>>
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>> 1. It will show up its hypocrisy like a sore thumb for the whole world
>to witness. It will make the HK government looks like a lame duck. It
>will show the world that not only is HK not fully independent from China
>which is just across the border, it is not even fully independent from
>the US which is thousands of miles away. From here on, HKers will
>awaken to the fact that the US supports their ideals and political
>system only when these serve US national interest. HK will realise that
>it has been nothing but a tool used by the US in its rivalry against
>China.
>>
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>> 2. The Chinese will be most pleased by the US action. It will do great
>damage to the HK-US relationship. HK will be less swayed by the
>Westerners mouthing of freedom and human rights. It will return more
>tightly to the embrace of the Motherland.
>>
>> The US action will give the Chinese the morality authority to deal
>unsparingly with its dissidents in HK. The SAR will cease to be an
>operational hub for Chinese dissidents.
>>
>>
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>> If the US leaves Mr. Snowden alone, he will continue to spill
>intelligence info which will sour the relationship between the US and
>many other countries, especially China. He will eventually embrace
>China. The gain for the Chinese will be two-folds. His technical skill
>and knowledge will help the Chinese to counter the US in the realm of
>cyber-warfare. Less tangible but more influential will be the
>psychological victory he gives to the Chinese. As someone else has
>written, it tells the Americans as well as the ordinary Chinese that
>China is as good as the US as a place to be in in this world.
>Henceforth, US criticism on China will be less effective on the general
>Chinese population.
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>>
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>> It is a dilemma for the US. Whether it chooses to extradite Mr.
>Snowden or leave him alone, either way will do damage to US national
>interest. The US will be ”living in interesting times in the days
>ahead”, as a common Chinese curse goes.
>
>lo YeeOn,
>I agree. It depends on how much the HKers support Mr. Snowden.
>It is beginning to show. A demo in support of him was held the
>Consulate-General of the United States.
>But I think they did it wrong. They were demanding that the US
>government pardoned Mr. Snowden. This they don't have the right.
>Instead, there should be only two slogans.
>
>“Welcome, Mr. Snowden. Stay as long as you wish.”
>“Buzz off, USA. Leave Mr. Snowden alone.”
Well, educate them. Show them how to provide hospitality and haven to
a man who is in need and is hoping that he in his desperate moment can
count on them.
Actually, the people of Hong Kong as well as the Chinese people have
not done anything to stop the bloodshed in Afghanistan and Iraq during
these all these years in the new century. Now they finally have an
opportunity. They do because it is precisely the massive government
surveillance in our land - a land that used to be called the land of
the free - in the new century that has enabled our government to keep
its massively destructive and at the same time counter-productive and
cynical "war on terror" going.
Indeed, Edward Snowden told the Guardian:
For an American, the traditional home for the kind of story Snowden
was planning to reveal would have been the New York Times. But
during extensive interviews last week with a Guardian team, he
recalled how dismayed he had been to discover the Times had a great
scoop in election year 2004 - that the Bush administration, post
9/11, allowed the NSA to snoop on US citizens without warrants - but
had sat on it for a year before publishing.
Snowden said this was a turning point for him, confirming his belief
that traditional media outlets could not be trusted. He looked
around for alternative journalists, those who were both
anti-establishment and at home with blogging and other social
media. The member of this generation that he most trusted was the
Guardian commentator Glenn Greenwald.
Mr. Snowden has obviously thought about this for years and years. He
is making tremendous personal sacrifice to do this. And generals and
government officials need to understand why he is doing this, instead
of trying to figure out how to silence him and make an example of him
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