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From: acoustic@panix.com
In article <6c097639-9638-4e51-8ab4-4a062219ea4a@googlegroups.com>,
wrote:
>On Wednesday, 13 November 2013 19:33:18 UTC+8, lo yeeOn wrote:
>> In article <58c61329-0800-4ef8-942b-a42b88cbb13a@googlegroups.com>,
>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Saudi made an offer, like Don Corleone, that China cannot refuse.
>>
>> >"We will pay for the DF21 missiles with all the oil you need until 2035."
>>
>> >
>>
>> >With this Saudi sealed the deal with China. In return for the Saudi oil,
>>
>> >China will supply the DF21 missiles(number to be negotiated), install
>>
>> >the missile batteries, supply missile experts to operate and train Saudi
>>
>> >military personnel...and maintain the missile in top operating
>>
>> >conditions.
>>
>> >
>>
>> >It all started when Prince Bandar bin Sultan, the Saudi's talented
>>
>> >super negotiator, was recalled from the cold and despatched to China for
>>
>> >a very special mission..soon after it was known that China has
>>
>> >successfully tested the DF21 missile designed specifically to sink US
>>
>> >carreir.
>>
>> Yeah, Bandar bin Laden, oops, I meant bin Sultan bin Abdulazziz,
>> also approached Vladimir Putin and offered tens of billions of
>> dollars worth of weapon purchase from Russia in return for Moscow's
>> promise to not oppose any UNSC resolution against the Syrian
>> government based on Chapter Seven earlier before Obama called off
>> the "let's bomb Syria" project that Saudi Arabia coveted with a
>> passion.
>>
>> After what he has done in Syria, Bandar is not only bad news for
>> the Middle East, you've got to ask why can't Iran offer the same
>> kind of deal to China in exchange for China's unwavering support
>> for Iran's right to have a nuclear program for peaceful use, since
>> Iran is also an oil rich country and the Iranians are many times
>> more educated than an average Saudi? The answer is quite simple!
>> Iran has a genuine democracy where its national resources cannot be
>> just bandied around for bribe and evil while the House of Saudi is
>> a dictatorship which has seized the country's assets to advance its
>> own hegemony agenda abroad (including the Middle East and Russian
>> territories) while repressing its own people domestically to
>> protect the monarchy rule and its minority Sunni minions' special
>> interests.
>>
>> Israel might be working with Bandar bin Sultan against Syria now;
>> but it would be very alarmed if the House of Saudi were to gain
>> acceess to nukes, especially when the mean education level of the
>> population is so low.
>>
>> And that's why the US doesn't let Saudi Arabia have the weapons it
>> allegedly is shopping elsewhere for. On the other hand, even
>> though China might receive a few tens of billions a year for the
>> next ten or 15 years from a weapon deal (I don't even know if I
>> would trust the Saudis about the sustainability of such a deal),
>> she would certainly stand to lose much within the BRICS nations
>> because Russia has already planned to expand her bilateral trade
>> program with China to go beyond 100 billion a year, IIRC. China's
>> long term best bet is always peaceful development. That means that
>> anything she does must not make the world less peaceful and less
>> stable!
>>
>> We can see why there were 176, out of a total of 192 member
>> countries in the UN General Assembly that cast a favorable vote for
>> China in her running of a seat in the UNHRC. The vote was by
>> secret ballot. The yes votes mean simply that the trust factor
>> prevails in even today's untrustworthy diplomatic environment. And
>> Saudi Arabia has shown itself to be the epitome of
>> untrustworthiness by offering this and that country weapon purchase
>> bribes. Nahhh, China should be smarter than to do this type of
>> business with such a dubious partner, oil or without oil!
>>
>> lo yeeOn
>
>To you and to the USA, the deal sticks !
>To the Saudi and to China, it is a sweet smelling deal.
I'm not sure about that! What is so sweet about helping a country
that has been seen as getting more and more out of control to become
even more out of control in return for oil or money? (See the article
attached below).
For that kind of gain, China would lose a lot of trust around the
world. As I have pointed out in my prior follow up, China thrives on
building up a strong trust among non-aligned nations and China further
has a relationship with Russia which is both large in economic terms
and which is geopolitical in nature.
The world needs peace and stability. China has worked hard to appeal
to the world through its peaceful development policy. Russia and
China have worked together for mutual defense. Russia does not want
al Qaeda to thrive in its territory. Russia does not want China or
any country to help a country like Saudi Arabia to sow more terrorism
on Russian soil. And it is not in China's interests to see that al
Qaeda is strengthened at Russia's expense because after all, China
also have problems with the Uighurs who are likely allies with those
who sow terrorism in Russia.
Russia has seen Saudi's Prince Bandar, politely listened, and then
walked him to the door.
Russia would not be bribed.
Russia would not take it kindly if China were to be so short-sighted
as to prostitute the trust the world has invested in her for her to
have an extra barrel of oil and an extra few tens of billions of
dollars a year for the sale of weapons that even Prince Bandar's best
friend and the world's most powerful country, the U.S., would not sell
to him.
China is not stupid and I have yet to find an article about such a
deal between her and the Saudis.
I would say, if the Saudis want these weapons they covet, they should
go and develop them for themselves. And what do they want them for
anyway? Is anybody threatening the country? No, nobody is
threatening the country. And did China buy these weapons from someone
so that they could then re-sell them to the Saudis for her alleged
need for their oil? Again, no, obviously, since China doesn't have
all that oil to bribe anyone who has even one missile to sell to her.
BRICS nations are a network of relationships along with a common
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