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      XPost: talk.politics.guns, sac.politics, rec.crafts.metalworking       XPost: can.politics       From: rsturns12@aol.com              By THOM SHANKER and ROD NORDLAND              WASHINGTON — Secretary of State John Kerry announced on       Wednesday that the United States and Afghanistan had finalized       the wording of a bilateral security agreement that would allow       for a lasting American troop presence through 2024 and set the       stage for billions of dollars of international assistance to       keep flowing to the government in Kabul.              The deal, which will now be presented for approval by an Afghan       grand council of elders starting on Thursday, came after days of       brinkmanship by Afghan officials and two direct calls from Mr.       Kerry to President Hamid Karzai, including one on Wednesday       before the announcement.              Just the day before, a senior aide to Mr. Karzai had said the       Afghan leader would not approve an agreement unless President       Obama sent a letter acknowledging American military mistakes       during the 12-year war. But on Wednesday, Mr. Kerry emphatically       insisted that a deal was reached with no American apology       forthcoming.              “President Karzai didn’t ask for an apology. There was no       discussion of an apology,” Mr. Kerry said. “I mean, it’s just       not even on the table.”              After a war that stands as the longest in American history, the       security agreement defines a training and counterterrorism       mission in Afghanistan lasting at least 10 more years and       involving 8,000 to 12,000 troops, mostly American.              Despite the sometimes harsh criticism from Afghan officials       during the negotiations, the agreement includes concessions that       the Obama administration could not win from Iraq during a       similar process in 2011, leading to the final withdrawal of       American troops there.              Now, the United States has at least an initial agreement from       Afghan officials that American soldiers will not face Afghan       prosecution in the course of their duties. And United States       Special Operations forces will retain leeway to conduct       antiterrorism raids on private Afghan homes — a central American       demand that Afghan officials had resisted and described as the       last sticking point in negotiations.              In the end, the Obama administration and the Karzai government       had more reason to agree than disagree, according to officials       on both sides. American officials do not want to see Afghanistan       again become a haven for terrorists after it spent billions of       dollars and thousands of lives in the war. And the Afghan       leadership knows that more than $4 billion in annual       international security assistance would simply not flow absent       an American military presence to account for it.              Still, domestic political risks remain for both presidents       today, as well. Some in Afghanistan already criticize Mr. Karzai       as the political agent of a long-term foreign military presence.       And Mr. Obama must explain to a nation weary of war why he is       pressing for a continued military deployment, albeit a smaller       one than advocated by American military commanders.              Further, there is an immediate risk to the deal itself: The       bilateral security agreement must now be approved by the Afghan       council, known as a loya jirga. About 3,000 elders and leaders,       all vetted by the Karzai government, will meet in Kabul for the       next three days to weigh the agreement’s language, and it is       sure to face at least some criticism.              “We have agreed on the language that would be submitted to a       loya jirga, but they have to pass it,” Mr. Kerry said.              Draft language of the security agreement that was posted on the       Afghan Foreign Ministry website on Wednesday night differed       substantially from earlier working documents made available to       journalists, seeming to ease off several Afghan demands that       officials had publicly described as untouchable. Still, it was       unclear whether the posted draft reflected the wording that will       be handed out to loya jirga delegates on Thursday morning.              On the issue of American searches of Afghan homes, the draft       proposal avoids the blunt prohibition previously offered by the       Afghans, which had stated: “No detention or arrest shall be       carried out by the United States forces. The United States       forces shall not search any homes or other real estate       properties.”              Instead, the draft states that American counterterrorism       operations will be intended to “complement and support” Afghan       missions. It underscores that Afghan forces will be in the lead       and that any American military operations will be carried out       “with full respect for Afghan sovereignty and full regard for       the safety and security of the Afghan people, including in their       homes.” Even then, though, the wording does not say that       American raids of Afghan homes would be conducted only to       protect American soldiers’ lives — phrasing that Afghan       officials had publicized on Tuesday.              The agreement itself would not establish a final troop number       after the official NATO combat mission ends in December 2014.       That detail is still to come from the Obama administration, and       the force is expected to comprise 8,000 to 12,000 personnel to       train, advise and assist Afghan forces. About two-thirds of that       force would be American, and the rest from NATO and other allies.              “While we are open to keeping a residual force in Afghanistan to       carry out the narrow missions of counterterrorism and training,       there is no scenario in which those forces would stay in       Afghanistan until anywhere near 2024,” a senior administration       official said late Wednesday.              There would be no direct combat role for most of those troops,       who would be assigned to major headquarters and not out in the       field with Afghan units. There would be a much smaller       counterterrorism force envisioned by American and NATO planners.              The current draft agreement accedes to the central American       demand that ended up scuttling the Iraq negotiations: United       States military personnel would be subject only to American       military law and Afghanistan pledges not to turn them over to       any international tribunals.              The proposed treaty does, however, grant Afghans legal       jurisdiction over contractors.              The document also has a clause committing the United States to       consulting with the Afghan government in the event of external       threats — stopping well short of the sort of NATO-style mutual       defense pact the Afghans originally wanted.              “The United States shall regard with grave concern any external       aggression or threat of external aggression against the       sovereignty, independence, and territorial integrity of       Afghanistan,” the proposed agreement states. There is a later       clause saying they would “consult urgently” in the event of such       aggression.              The draft concludes, as earlier versions have, that it takes       effect Jan. 1, 2015, provided internal approval procedures in       both countries are satisfied — in the case of Afghanistan,       ratification by the loya jirga and then by Parliament — and then              [continued in next message]              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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