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|    A serial mistake: "Ukraine will be just     |
|    14 Mar 14 06:28:14    |
      XPost: soc.culture.china, soc.culture.usa, soc.culture.russian       XPost: soc.culture.europe, rec.sport.tennis, soc.culture.latin-america       XPost: soc.culture.iraq       From: acoustic@panix.com              [Revised and corrected version]              Fatal mistakes are built up and made in series!               A young, innocent-enough looking young man in the group told BBC        News that he and many of his colleagues like the idea of "one        nation, one people, one country - a clean nation, not like Hitler's,        but something like it... and those who love Russia are free to leave        - Ukraine will be just for Ukrainians." (See below for citation)              The new Ukraine is in the midst of such a suicidal mission under Senya       "Yats" Yatsenyuk who was famously quoted as calling his new job a       "political suicide".              Yats' regime is taking a series of steps for such a suicidal mission,       it seems!              First, it wilfully relied on Ukrainian society's hateful elements to       drive out the majority party members of the parliament so that the       western-backed "opposition" could install itself as de facto       government of the country. The backing included at least 5 billion US       dollars, according to Victoria Nuland, the organizer/handler of the       prolonged unrest.              For the hateful elements referred above, please see the BBC News       interview cited below.              (Yatsenyuk's and his mentor Tymoshenko's party had only 101 out of a       450-member parliament at the last democratic election. They couldn't       have their way without thug power - that's true! But there is a       price. The price is they were losing a large swathe of the population       as they gain political power. They didn't care because they held the       Russian speakers in disdain. So, of course, their authority over       Crimea and other parts of Ukraine where Russian speakers hold sway is       now in question. The new government, i.e., the opposition before the       coup, wants the land, but not the people who live there. Now, that's       the price they are paying. Russia is forcing it to give it up. I       think Russia was leaving the door open for the new regime to seek a       compromise as it began the preparation for the worst but saw none       coming. I don't blame Russia for its approach to Ukraine.)              Second, a more hateful move on the part of the new regime: to make       Russian speakers second class citizens, as the oligarchs flocked to       embrace the west. Yulia Tymoshenko: "We are building a European       nation - we are doing this and nobody can stop us..."               Speaking in Dublin, Ukrainian former premier Yulia Tymoshenko made        an emotional appeal for greater European integration.               She said: "We are building a European nation - we are doing this and        nobody can stop us. We owe this to those who died and to those who        are living."              So, instead of embracing diversity (as President Obama so       self-righteously did during the Sochi Winter Games), Ukraine's new       regime went so far as to remove Russian from the elementary school       curriculum.              Do these west-embracing politicians in Kiev think that Krushchev       gifted Crimea to Ukraine so that the Russian population would be spit       on and driven out 60 years later?              Do they think that Anton Chekhov and Sergei Prokofiev would have       preferred to rest their souls in Vienna rather than in Russia?              Was Alexander Nevsky (recently mentioned as one of the top three most       revered Russian leaders in history according to some poll) a Ukrainian       so that the Ukraine-born composer Prokofiev wrote an Oratorio named       after him and every Russian bound tourist knows about the Nevsky       Prospect in Petersburg to visist?              Did Chekhov ever write a play or a short story identifying Ukraine as       a distinct, anti-Russian cultural entity? Chekhov is always known as       a Russian, despite the places in Ukraine that have provided him with       the backdrops of his creations.              Of course, the latest move in Kiev strengthens the belief of Ukraine's       Russian speakers that the central government is against them. So, the       cause of the instability in Ukraine originates in Kiev, rather than       Moscow.              Third, continuing to unleash its thug power - the new regime is       calling for the mobilization of 60,000 volunteers with "military       experience" to form a self-defense force in the East of Ukraine where       most people speak Russia, where the political strength of the de jure       president Yanuskovych lies, and where that of the de facto government       in Kiev is very questionable.              Now, let's begin by recalling that the new regime in Kiev gave the       neo-fascist Svoboda (Freedom) party several important cabinet posts,       including that of the interior ministry and of the defense ministry,       in addition to the post of deputy prime-minister. That means that       thugs will staff the police forces across Ukraine, not just Kiev. And       they will wear official uniforms, get paid, and receive lethal weapons       from the government.              Let's also recall a BBC News interview from a while ago, concerning       extremism in the new Ukraine.              The video I have posted before began by showing a column of a dozen of       armed men patrolling Kiev - they were the loudest, most violent, and       most effective forces to fight the riot police, according to BBC News.              They are from the Right Sector. BBC News showed one brandishing a       chain with a spiked ball hanging from it, and another one wearing a       Wolfsangel armband.              A young, innocent-enough looking young man in the group told BBC News       that he and many of his colleagues like the idea of "one nation, one       people, one country - a clean nation, not like Hitler's, but something       like it... and those who love Russia are free to leave - Ukraine will       be just for Ukrainians."              (The video has apparently been dressed up and began with the solemn       music of Beethoven (Symphony no.7). The narrative is that Kiev was       playing it day and night to remember those who were killed during the       Maidan protests. BBC News clearly exploited Beethoven who lived his       adult life in Vienna in order to dilute the somber implication of the       video's message - the anti-democratic, anti-diversity content of the       "Revolution", originated with the reporter Gabriel Gatehouse. Yet one       must ask also whether we know who was responsible for those killings.       Given the hacked telephone conversation between EU's Catherine Ashton       and the Estonian foreign minister, it could well mean that there is       more to fear about the new regime than what the west wants us to       believe.)              So, the mobilization of 60,000 armed volunteers to "defend the eastern       border" of Ukraine can rightfully alarm the Russian speakers in the       east and southeast regions of the country. It might have been all a       part of the plan for the Right Sector members and the Svobodans to       make Ukraine a "clean" nation - "Ukraine just for Ukrainians". But       the price for them is they are inviting Putin to send troops into       those areas too, "to protect the Russian speaking people", and who              [continued in next message]              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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