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   lo yeeOn to All   
   A serial mistake: "Ukraine will be just    
   14 Mar 14 06:28:14   
   
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   From: acoustic@panix.com   
      
   [Revised and corrected version]   
      
   Fatal mistakes are built up and made in series!   
      
     A young, innocent-enough looking young man in the group told BBC   
     News that he and many of his colleagues like the idea of "one   
     nation, one people, one country - a clean nation, not like Hitler's,   
     but something like it... and those who love Russia are free to leave   
     - Ukraine will be just for Ukrainians."  (See below for citation)   
      
   The new Ukraine is in the midst of such a suicidal mission under Senya   
   "Yats" Yatsenyuk who was famously quoted as calling his new job a   
   "political suicide".   
      
   Yats' regime is taking a series of steps for such a suicidal mission,   
   it seems!   
      
   First, it wilfully relied on Ukrainian society's hateful elements to   
   drive out the majority party members of the parliament so that the   
   western-backed "opposition" could install itself as de facto   
   government of the country.  The backing included at least 5 billion US   
   dollars, according to Victoria Nuland, the organizer/handler of the   
   prolonged unrest.   
      
   For the hateful elements referred above, please see the BBC News   
   interview cited below.   
      
   (Yatsenyuk's and his mentor Tymoshenko's party had only 101 out of a   
   450-member parliament at the last democratic election.  They couldn't   
   have their way without thug power - that's true!  But there is a   
   price.  The price is they were losing a large swathe of the population   
   as they gain political power.  They didn't care because they held the   
   Russian speakers in disdain.  So, of course, their authority over   
   Crimea and other parts of Ukraine where Russian speakers hold sway is   
   now in question.  The new government, i.e., the opposition before the   
   coup, wants the land, but not the people who live there.  Now, that's   
   the price they are paying.  Russia is forcing it to give it up.  I   
   think Russia was leaving the door open for the new regime to seek a   
   compromise as it began the preparation for the worst but saw none   
   coming.  I don't blame Russia for its approach to Ukraine.)   
      
   Second, a more hateful move on the part of the new regime: to make   
   Russian speakers second class citizens, as the oligarchs flocked to   
   embrace the west.  Yulia Tymoshenko: "We are building a European   
   nation - we are doing this and nobody can stop us..."   
      
     Speaking in Dublin, Ukrainian former premier Yulia Tymoshenko made   
     an emotional appeal for greater European integration.   
      
     She said: "We are building a European nation - we are doing this and   
     nobody can stop us.  We owe this to those who died and to those who   
     are living."   
      
   So, instead of embracing diversity (as President Obama so   
   self-righteously did during the Sochi Winter Games), Ukraine's new   
   regime went so far as to remove Russian from the elementary school   
   curriculum.   
      
   Do these west-embracing politicians in Kiev think that Krushchev   
   gifted Crimea to Ukraine so that the Russian population would be spit   
   on and driven out 60 years later?   
      
   Do they think that Anton Chekhov and Sergei Prokofiev would have   
   preferred to rest their souls in Vienna rather than in Russia?   
      
   Was Alexander Nevsky (recently mentioned as one of the top three most   
   revered Russian leaders in history according to some poll) a Ukrainian   
   so that the Ukraine-born composer Prokofiev wrote an Oratorio named   
   after him and every Russian bound tourist knows about the Nevsky   
   Prospect in Petersburg to visist?   
      
   Did Chekhov ever write a play or a short story identifying Ukraine as   
   a distinct, anti-Russian cultural entity?  Chekhov is always known as   
   a Russian, despite the places in Ukraine that have provided him with   
   the backdrops of his creations.   
      
   Of course, the latest move in Kiev strengthens the belief of Ukraine's   
   Russian speakers that the central government is against them.  So, the   
   cause of the instability in Ukraine originates in Kiev, rather than   
   Moscow.   
      
   Third, continuing to unleash its thug power - the new regime is   
   calling for the mobilization of 60,000 volunteers with "military   
   experience" to form a self-defense force in the East of Ukraine where   
   most people speak Russia, where the political strength of the de jure   
   president Yanuskovych lies, and where that of the de facto government   
   in Kiev is very questionable.   
      
   Now, let's begin by recalling that the new regime in Kiev gave the   
   neo-fascist Svoboda (Freedom) party several important cabinet posts,   
   including that of the interior ministry and of the defense ministry,   
   in addition to the post of deputy prime-minister.  That means that   
   thugs will staff the police forces across Ukraine, not just Kiev.  And   
   they will wear official uniforms, get paid, and receive lethal weapons   
   from the government.   
      
   Let's also recall a BBC News interview from a while ago, concerning   
   extremism in the new Ukraine.   
      
   The video I have posted before began by showing a column of a dozen of   
   armed men patrolling Kiev - they were the loudest, most violent, and   
   most effective forces to fight the riot police, according to BBC News.   
      
   They are from the Right Sector.  BBC News showed one brandishing a   
   chain with a spiked ball hanging from it, and another one wearing a   
   Wolfsangel armband.   
      
   A young, innocent-enough looking young man in the group told BBC News   
   that he and many of his colleagues like the idea of "one nation, one   
   people, one country - a clean nation, not like Hitler's, but something   
   like it... and those who love Russia are free to leave - Ukraine will   
   be just for Ukrainians."   
      
   (The video has apparently been dressed up and began with the solemn   
   music of Beethoven (Symphony no.7).  The narrative is that Kiev was   
   playing it day and night to remember those who were killed during the   
   Maidan protests.  BBC News clearly exploited Beethoven who lived his   
   adult life in Vienna in order to dilute the somber implication of the   
   video's message - the anti-democratic, anti-diversity content of the   
   "Revolution", originated with the reporter Gabriel Gatehouse.  Yet one   
   must ask also whether we know who was responsible for those killings.   
   Given the hacked telephone conversation between EU's Catherine Ashton   
   and the Estonian foreign minister, it could well mean that there is   
   more to fear about the new regime than what the west wants us to   
   believe.)   
      
   So, the mobilization of 60,000 armed volunteers to "defend the eastern   
   border" of Ukraine can rightfully alarm the Russian speakers in the   
   east and southeast regions of the country.  It might have been all a   
   part of the plan for the Right Sector members and the Svobodans to   
   make Ukraine a "clean" nation - "Ukraine just for Ukrainians".  But   
   the price for them is they are inviting Putin to send troops into   
   those areas too, "to protect the Russian speaking people", and who   
      
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