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   From: skriptis@post.t-com.hr   
      
   "TT"  wrote in message   
   news:FKWxv.49915$SH2.4664@uutiset.elisa.fi...   
   > 17.7.2014 21:30, *skriptis kirjoitti:   
   >> Proof 1.   
   >> Ukrainian freedom fighters do not posses anti-aircraft missiles that have   
   >> range up to 10 000 meters.   
   >> Otoh, Kiev junta does..   
   >>   
   >   
   > "Freedom fighters" (you damn idiot) do not have planes...   
      
   Nor did I say they had them, moron.   
      
      
   > "No surface-to-air systems are involved in the military operation against   
   > separatists in the east, and the plane was out of reach of other Ukrainian   
   > air defence forces," the statement from Ukraine's Defence Ministry added   
   >   
   > It's true that manpads don't reach that high... however the plane was   
   > crashed so close to Russian border that it's possible it was shot down   
   > from Russia... Also I wouldn't consider it out of the question that   
   > separatist forces have actual ground to air missile systems, since they   
   > seem to have everything else already...   
      
   And I most certainly would consider that bastards who burnt tens of people   
   alive in Odessa, are terroriizng Ukraine in SA manner for months and their   
   unelected and undemocratic goverment and their warlords, are capable of   
   shooting down this plane as it would serve their purpose very much.   
      
      
      
   > Also, an Ukrainian SU-25 fighter jet was downed on Monday, likely by   
   > Russian missiles or by Russian fighter jets. (Another one was hit by a   
   > manpad on Wednesday.)   
   >   
   > Not to mention that Russia has likely been launching rockets from its   
   > territory to Ukrainian bases near the border in recent days.   
      
   If so, perfectly legit as per international law. Couple of person IN Russia   
   were killed in the last days from the rockets coming from Ukraine...   
      
      
      
   >> Proof 2.   
   >> Ukranian freedom fighters, or Russia for that matter gain nothing from   
   >> this   
   >> act, ie had no reason to do it.   
   >> Otoh, Kiev junta does.   
   >   
   > It's not the first time that Russia has shot down passenger planes...   
      
   But they were not the last ones to do so.   
   In 2001 Ukrainan army shot down civilian plane "by accident" that was flying   
   from Siberia to Israel. 70+ dead.   
   And before them 1988 US navy shot down Iranian civilan plane, almost 300   
   person died.   
      
   Interestingly, both parties are somewhat involved now in this incident.   
      
      
      
   > If indeed Ukrainian let the plane fly through their entire airspace but   
   > blew it up when it was reaching Russian airspace then that was a cunning   
   > plan. But it's not a credible conclusion.   
      
   Considering all facts, it's the most credible conclusion. Another way of   
   demonizing Russia, in the midst of another US attempt to force Europe to   
   even more sanction Russia and to harm them both.   
      
      
      
   > The plane was shot down either by Russian terrorists or by their   
   > military... not that there would be any difference between the two.   
      
   Yeah, you're a digusting russophobic nazi, what's to discuss here with you.   
      
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