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   In article ,   
   bmoore   wrote:   
   >On Monday, July 21, 2014 5:25:45 PM UTC-7, lo yeeOn wrote:   
   >> In article <7d66acaf-f847-438e-a97d-b047c9f1f003@googlegroups.com>,   
   >> bmoore   wrote:   
   >> >For those netters who insist on using the Kremlin-backed RT as a   
   >> >legitimate news source:   
   >>   
   >> This is so lame.  Of course RT is financially backed by Kremlin, just   
   >> as the BBC News is backed by the British government and just as the   
   >> US Corp media is beholdened to Washington's political establishment.   
   >   
   >RT was founded specifically to enhance the image of Russia. Even their   
   >own reporters are quitting because they are nothing but a propaganda   
   >mouthpiece for the Kremlin. What's lame, incredibly lame, is the fact   
   >that you won't acknowledge this.   
   >   
   >Pfft.   
      
   "Pfft" is not proof that RT "lies everyday".  Nor is the fact that a   
   Ms. Firth has resigned from RT.   
      
   If it were, then we should stop tuning into CBS News:   
      
     investigative journalist Sharyl Attkisson resigned Monday after   
     months of ill-concealed unhappiness with the network. It was the   
     denouement of a drama that's been played out among The Reporters Who   
     Cover Television for some time, with Attkisson as the heroine ...   
     [a] reporter who stood up to her network's liberal bias and its   
     deep-sixing of her work on Benghazi and other Obama administration   
     evasions and departs after acrimonious contract talks fell apart, ...   
      
   And then there were Phil Donahue and Jeff Cohen who were actually   
   forced out of MSNBC on the eve of the Iraq war because of their honest   
   reporting.  In other words, those guys refused to sell Washington's   
   war lie:   
      
     "Saddam had WMD and so we must invade Iraq."   
      
   In this light, their treatment speaks volumes more than Ms. Firth's   
   resignation.   
      
   Sure, "RT was founded specifically to enhance the image of Russia"   
   just as the Peace Corp was founded to enhance America's image while   
   snooping around the globe at the same time.  We were brilliant and   
   Russia has finally learned that propaganda is an important tool for   
   them too.  But that is not the point.   
      
   The point is whether RT has been lying and made Ms. Firth to lie!   
      
   I haven't found that to be the case because I have been following RT   
   as well as many other news sources around the world.  RT might have   
   been quiet about some things just as the NYT has been quiet about some   
   other things.  I have found the NYT extremely biased about the Ukraine   
   situation for at least the past year.  And I have found the BBC to   
   have increasingly editorialized its reporting, trying to portray the   
   freedom fighters as drunks and criminals.  And these sources don't   
   like to report the suffering of the Russian speaking Ukrainians.   
      
   Ms. Firth might have resigned precisely because someone has approached   
   her and told her that what she was doing, working for RT, was not cool   
   - acting against Washington's narrative.  It's not cool for her to   
   spread the words about Kiev's possible culpability at this critical   
   time when we can just wipe out the freedom fighters in one fell   
   swoop. ...   
      
   The timing of Ms. Firth's resignation on ground that RT wanted to   
   expose the possible direct involvement of the MH17 tragedy is not   
   surprising to me.  Washington does not want the world to hear that   
   anyone other than Russia and the freedom fighters in east Ukraine   
   might have pulled a bloody stunt, involving so many innocent people.   
      
   So, Firth's resignation from RT does not prove RT was lying everyday   
   like she alleged.  RT is a good news source, Ms. Firth hasn't done a   
   bit to change people's minds who read RT and are able to decide for   
   themselves what they are reading.   
      
   Now is, however, a time before there is a credible investigative body   
   to decide how the MH17 came down.  So, Ms. Firth's allegation that RT   
   was lying is totally unfounded.  First, it was information from the   
   Russian Defense Ministry. Somehow she made it to be a RT lie about   
   MH17.   
      
   My assessment is that Firth's resignation was a result of Washington   
   not wanting people to hear anything bad about its stooges in Kiev.   
      
   I have repeatedly mentioned that people who read widely, including   
   from sources such as OpNewsEd, Paul Craig Roberts, Center for Research   
   on Globalization, as well as the BBC News, CNN, RT, and the New York   
   Times, are aware that Washington has a narrative and it has propaganda   
   tools to shoot the messengers to stop alternative narratives from   
   going out or propagating.  This Firth resignation thing might very   
   well be that sort of thing.   
      
   lo yeeOn   
      
   Subject: Sara Firth's allegations can easily be falsified since RT's   
   published works are archived on the internet) Re: 'Every single day   
   we're lying': Russia Today reporter resigns over coverage of Malaysia   
   Airlines MH17 crash   
      
   In article <7d66acaf-f847-438e-a97d-b047c9f1f003@googlegroups.com>,   
   bmoore   wrote:   
   >For those netters who insist on using the Kremlin-backed RT as a   
   >legitimate news source:   
      
   This is so lame.  Of course RT is financially backed by Kremlin, just   
   as the BBC News is backed by the British government and just as the   
   US Corp media is beholdened to Washington's political establishment.   
      
   And the subject of RT in particular has been discussed recently and   
   not so recently by me and others.  The main point is whenever RT is   
   providing news that is not covered by the West's mainstream media and   
   if the veracity of the news is unassailable, then it is providing a   
   great service to humanity, especially because there is so much   
   deception coming out of the news from the West's media outlets.  The   
   case of Edward Snowden as well as the situation in Ukraine illustrate   
   very well the great service RT provides.  If anyone has any gripe   
   against a specific act of disinformation from RT, we would have   
   already seen it.  I have successfully defended my use of RT as a   
   source for what I posted in the past.  Another poster ltlee1 once   
   followed up a criticism from TT, a Finnish poster at rec.sport.tennis,   
   that I used RT as source by asking him to state specifically what he   
   finds wrong in the information cited and there was no response from   
   anyone that I know of.   
      
   Personally, I prefer to use other sources whenever possible because I   
   can save myself troubles to have to defend it.   
      
   In the case of Sarah Firth, I don't find her credible.   
      
   Her latest gripe is:   
      
     Sara Firth, who has worked for the state-backed TV network since   
     2009, said station management suggested Ukraine was at fault for the   
      
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