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   From: acoustic@panix.com   
      
   In article <6061fff4-ae8a-4945-a366-a42002c022bb@googlegroups.com>,   
     wrote:   
   >On Thursday, August 21, 2014 2:01:55 AM UTC-4, lo yeeOn wrote:   
   >   
   >>   There were widespread reports that Mr. Hussein himself periodically   
   >>   
   >>   carried out the torture or even execution of those he felt had   
   >>   
   >>   crossed him.   
      
   I didn't write this part, just to be clear.  Saddam may or may not   
   have this stuff that is tagged onto him, but the above quote was part   
   of another version of the story that Saddam was a monster, no question   
   because he executed his health minister for offering an advice Saddam   
   sought in the first place and sent his remains back in a sag of body   
   parts.   
      
   It was a more sensational version of the story and was provided by a   
   bunch of people who were actively working to whip up a fever for G W   
   Bush's war.   
      
   Because of the significant variation of the story, I choose to also   
   include what the wikipedia said.  About this incident, it was at least   
   weeks between the cabinet meeting and the time he was executed.  The   
   wikipedia also mentioned that he had to resigned his post for the   
   death of a patient treated in a state hospital.   
      
   Given the variations and given the trustworthiness of the people who   
   provided the account, I would think that some journalists would go   
   find his widow or his surviving relatives, at least after Saddam was   
   caught and imprisoned, to sort out the discrepancies and exactly what   
   happened.  But nothing.  This makes you wonder about Saddam's soldiers   
   pulling the plugs on incubator babies, a story which was presented to   
   US Congress to inflame the first gulf war (as Herbert Walker Bush was   
   ready to start a war against Saddam) and which was later found to be a   
   lie.   
      
   Another thing that makes you curious is why the murder of this doctor   
   was not part of the package of indictments against the dictator?   
      
   Of course, killing many Iraqi Kurds to suppress a rebellion was the   
   big story there.  But then, how many brutal suppressions of rebellions   
   have occurred on this planet and yet we don't hear, for example, Petr   
   Poroshenko is a monster?   
      
   That goes back to your earlier comment about your bastards as opposed   
   to their bastards.   
      
   So, all in all, the demonization of Saddam who has been dead for   
   nearly a decade serves only one purpose:   
      
    To whip Saddam's corpse for a cause: to drop bombs over the Iraqi sky   
    and to put American boots on its ground.   
      
   Propaganda is a useful tool for the warmongers.  Hitler had his Joseph   
   Goebbels too.  But in the long run, nobody knows why Goebbels was so   
   important to Hitler.  But when you needed German boys to fight for   
   you, you need an effective mouthpiece.  Hitler is dead, but propaganda   
   is always useful for the next warmonger.   
      
   lo yeeOn   
      
   >Sure, although I can't remember specifics, I'm sure I read that Saddam   
   >had his own torture chamber and the details were pretty graphic.  I'm   
   >sure Obama is portrayed over there as a mother-raper and child   
   >molester...hell, his opponents in the U.S. go almost that far.   
   >   
   >Cons in Canada like to present our Liberal leader as if he's a drug   
   >addict because he wants to liberalize marijuana laws.  Don't have to   
   >look very far to see the lies and distortions.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
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