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From: acoustic@panix.com
In article ,
bmoore wrote:
>On Thursday, September 18, 2014 7:11:51 PM UTC-7, lo yeeOn wrote:
>> In article ,
>> bmoore wrote:
>> >You use too many words, as always, but you seem to be saying that even
>> >if the Tibetans do not favor Chinese rule, they aren't capable of
>> >self-rule and therefore must accept Chinese rule, however nasty that may
>> >be. That's easy to say from the comfort of an armchair, but Chinese
>> >brutality in Tibet is real, and thousands or millions of words don't
>> >change that reality.
I did not say that at all. You totally distorted my words.
I have asserted and will assert again that China is doing the right
thing by bringing the Tibetan folks in China out of slavery into
empowerment, which is infinitely better than how the European settlers
in America treated the Native American Indians.
In fact, China has brought big smiles to millions of people in the
regions, that pissed off the dissident "poets" and "poetesses".
There is no evidence of "nasty" treatment of Tibetan Chinese based on
their ethnicity.
But if they acted to threaten societal interests and people's safety,
I can imagine that they might be treated more harshly - but nowhere
near the detainees at Guantanamo pirson have been treated.
"Chinese brutality" is only a piece of anti-China propaganda.
The truth is that no one can change the reality that China has done a
lot of good for the Tibetans. Such a perception is univeral, except
for a minute number of people in the West like you, who are willfully
ignorant in order to perform his internet censorship work.
The whole world continues to recognize that China is interested in
peaceful development among nations and human development for its own
people, regardless of ethnicity and religion. And that's why India,
Brazil, Argentina, Russia, and many other nations are welcoming China
as their friend with open arms. They are not insensitive to human
suffering for the sake of money, as some propaganda machine would like
to put it. Russia has done right by not letting the fascist Kiev ATO
to destroy more human lives in Ukraine's east. Russia is doing this
with a cost to its own economy. So, the money argument against
China's friends does not fly.
You won't discourage me by accusing me of using too many words to say
nothing. My posts speak for themselves - not the double-spaced format
that is deliberately done to make people not read what I have written.
Nor will you discourage me by accusing me of sitting in an armchair
and ignoring the reality. Your reality is a bunch of fairy tales. I
write only to the extent that I include enough facts and reasonings to
support my arguments - no more.
As for your further accusations, read below for my full rebuttal.
>>
>> You're the one who hijacked the thread to cast doubt on this
>> statement that no one has raised in this thread:
>> "Chinese rule is favored by the Tibetan people"
>
>I guess you didn't read the whole article:
>
>"Wu Yingjie, the Tibetan Autonomous Region's Deputy Secretary who
>received the Indian journalists in Lhasa, spent several months in
>Nagchu prefecture last year for a mass-line campaign, a scheme dear
>to Xi Jinping. 'Mass-line' means that senior cadres should spend
>months with the 'masses' and convince them of the greatness of the
>Party and its deep love for the masses. Wu was however unable to
>convert the Tibetans."
>
>You are more concerned about "winning" than with honest
>discussion. Shameful.
>
>> Actually, rst has given you a few pieces of evidence already.
>
>Yeah, "evidence" from decades ago. That's a full "fail" on your part.
So, after I shot down Mr. Claude Arpi's buffer state argument for Xi
to engage the top monk, you think it is cool to peddle checkpoints?
Let's be clear that these checkpoints are very localized maneuvers to
fight the self-immolation problem in Tibet that was master-minded by
the exiles and their westerner advisors to keep up an appearance of
"Tibet on Fire" after the 2008 Beijing Olympics. If the checkpoints
were more widespread, there wouldn't be enough roadblocks to fill 1/4
of the whole land of China. So, that's clear.
In fact, according to the RFA as cited by Mr. Arpi's article:
Radio Free Asia (RFA), quoting a local source, recently reported:
"Chinese police have doubled the number of checkpoints on a road
leading to Tibet's restive Driru county - where residents have
resisted forced displays of loyalty to Beijing for about a year -
and are beating travelers who show annoyance at being stopped and
searched."
Mr. Arpi went on to say:
One of the measures put in place after Wu's stay in Driru was an
increase in the number of checkpoints (to 8) on the 270-km stretch
between Driru town and Nagchu, the headquarters of prefecture.
That means that there are 8 checkpoints over a 168 mile stretch and
that means that there is no more than one checkpoint for every 20
miles of road leading to the troublesome monasteries in Driru.
I fail to see that it was such a great irritation to travellers after
we Americans have endured the multiple checkpoints within each and
every airport that we have to go through. And we have lockdowns in
our own neighborhoods when there is an unrest or a bomb threat on the
streets. The Chinese people, Han, Tibetans, and other ethnic groups
alike, need just as much protection against the threat of terrorism as
we Americans do! If you want to blame the CCP, blame the clergy who
have colluded with the external inciters first, ok?
Mr. Arpi's article is clearly biased, beyond simply quoting the RFA.
If Mr. Wu is so easily discouraged by the monks non-responsiveness,
then I'm sure that there are others who will pick up where he left off
and continue to help our Tibetan brothers and sisters to move out of
the stone age created for them by Da Lama and his cohorts.
I don't see the value of Mr. ARpi's article, other than a desperate
attempt by the Free Tibet crowd in the West to use the occasion of
Xi's visit to India to again try to advertise their cause.
What they've failed to realize is that the discontented are a distinct
minority in China. The fact that the self-immolation strategy has
completely lost momentum in the past couple years shows that China has
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