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   In article <6e2a3016-3439-4804-8534-d51b8d2ba9ff@googlegroups.com>,   
   bmoore   wrote:   
   >   
   >No, your obviously too many words do not explain why "Tibetans are   
   >not opposed to Chinese rule," because it's very clear that many   
   >Tibetans are quite upset with Chinese rule, and the associated   
   >brutality. It is shameful that you are participating in the Chinese   
   >government's lies and deception about Tibet, but that's what you are   
   >doing.   
      
   Well, first you are the one who were lying.  You provided no facts,   
   nor statistics to support your assertion that "it's very clear that   
   many Tibetans are quite upset with Chinese rule, and the associated   
   brutality."  (Repeating statements originated from Dharamsala does not   
   amount to facts.)   
      
   Second, you are resorting to ad hominem when you have no proof that   
   the Chinese government has been lying about Tibet or that I was   
   "participating in the Chinese government's lies and deception about   
   Tibet, but that's what you are doing."   
      
   The truth is that the Tibet issue is a creation of the Tibetans in   
   exile, consisting of former landowners and Tibetan clergy - those who   
   lost power and wealth because of the Chinese rule, together with their   
   western backers.  All these people numbered less than two hundred   
   thousands.  Now even if you include the clergy inside China, there   
   have been only a few monasteries collaborating with the exiles.  They   
   are a distinct minority in a people of six millions and a relic of a   
   past that is better to be completely a thing of the past.   
      
   Western propaganda about Tibetans opposing Chinese rule typically   
   comes in the form of assertions from Dharamsala or "Tibet Houses" in   
   western cities.  They are not backed by facts.  and You have not   
   present any evidence, other than more assertions and distortion.   
      
   Chinese brutality?  Where did you find them?  Chinese lies?  What are   
   they?  Most Tibetans in China today are obviously contented.   
      
   If they were not contented with Chinese rule, then we would not have   
   to wait until Xi Jinping's latest visit to India to hear about this   
   so-called "Chinese brutality".   
      
   The Tibetans in China are content with Chinese rule because they are   
   human beings like you and me and they have basic human needs and the   
   Chinese government take care of their needs.  People's basic needs, as   
   I pointed out before are: love, good health, and happiness (not just   
   the opportunity to pursue such a thing as is preached in our system of   
   greed that exploits the meek).   
      
   The Tibetans in China have their basic needs taken care of, and that's   
   why their rosy cheeks are seen grinning to visitors.   
      
   China has done great for 1.2 billion people, including many, many   
   millions of ethnic minorities.  It has a uniform policy of raising the   
   status of ethnic minorities.  So why would it discriminate against the   
   Tibetans, when they are not even close to being the largest minority   
   group, where their 6 million is less than 3/8 of all the Zhuang Rens,   
   only 2/3 of all the Miao Rens, and only 3/5 of the Manchu Rens.  Nor   
   are 6 millions such a miniscule number that they can be easily   
   neglected.  The Tibetans are a visible ethnic minority group that   
   receives a lot of attention to the Chinese government.   
      
   In fact, the Chinese government favors China's ethnic minorities very   
   much like the US government favors the designated groups specified in   
   our Affirmative Action legislation.   
      
   People in China today are better off across the board.  Why should the   
   Tibetans be singled out and be treated "brutally"?   
      
   In fact, they are not.  And that's why I talked about the happy folks   
   with rosy cheeks and a broad grin and for that they were denigrated by   
   their dissident "poets"/"poetesses".  Don't you ignore their happiness   
   in your effort to demonize China!   
      
   The happy ones are in the millions and the pissed-off ones are at most   
   in the hundreds of thousands.  And you know these pissed-off ones are   
   those who try to convince the world that China has been mean to them.   
      
   But except for propaganda machine operators like you, nobody really   
   pay attention.   
      
   You can tell because if their numbers are reversed, the riots in 2008   
   would have led to a revolution.   
      
   But just as the rebellion in 1959 failed miserably, due to a lack of   
   widespread support for Da Lama's rule, it remains the same today.   
      
   It's amazing, isn't it, that after more than 50 years, Da Lama and his   
   cohorts still cannot get their act together.  But of course, it is   
   understandable because they killed faunas and exploit fellow human   
   beings to sustain their indulgent lifestyle.  They have never been   
   disciples of Buddha, much less Buddha re-incarnates.   
      
   No government in the world today actually agrees with you that there   
   is a sizable discontent among Chinese Tibeteanstoward Chinese rule   
   today.  If there were a sizable discontent, the US State Department   
   would be the first to seize the opportunity and help engineer a regime   
   change with them as their puppets, just like that in Ukraine.   
      
   And of course the self-immolation dramas did not lead to anything   
   because the victims were the orphans, illiterates, and the poor, who   
   were used and sacrificed by the cold-hearted monks.   
      
   If the Tibetan people had not supported Chinese rule or at least   
   acquiesced to it in large numbers, the CIA-backed rebellion would not   
   have been greeted by the Tibetan people with such apathy or even   
   antipathy, as many have pointed out already.   
      
   Now, as to why Tibetans in China aren't opposed to Chinese rule, I   
   have clearly articulated it before in this way:   
      
     Unfortunately for Da Lama and his cohorts, China's economic policy   
     has done what is essential to take a whole society from feudalism to   
     modernity.   
      
     People have basic needs: love, good health, and happiness (not just   
     the opportunity to pursue such a thing).   
      
     ... And that's why Tibetans are not opposed to China rule but in   
     fact continue to warm to it.   
      
   But the most important thing, as I have repeatedly emphasized, is:   
      
     Nobody needs Da Lama; he is the source of the Tibetan people's long   
     suffering.  Just as Europe got rid of its feudalism a long time ago.   
     just as Japan got rid of its in the 19th centry, and just as China   
     got rid of its in the 20th century for good, so must the Tibetan   
     people get rid of Da Lama and all the institutional trappings of   
     Tibetan Buddhism.   
      
   lo yeeOn   
      
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