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   In article <4726651a-c18f-48eb-bc1a-066cb55d6d9c@googlegroups.com>,   
   ltlee1@hotmail.com  wrote:   
   >On Sunday, September 28, 2014 9:07:32 PM UTC-4, forc...@gmail.com wrote:   
   >> On Sunday, 28 September 2014 12:25:20 UTC+8, rst9  wrote:   
   >> > There is one thing for certain.   
   >>   
   >> > When events are NOT going Beijing'd way, Beijing will pull the   
   >> > plug.   
   >>   
   >> > The CCP will NOT lose control in Hong Kong.   
   >>   
   >> Yes. Territory integrity is one of the core issue of China.   
   >>   
   >> China will suspend the Basic Laws, rule Hong Kong directly from   
   >Beijing..will treat Hong Kong just like the other provinces.   
   >>   
   >> There is nothing to stop Beijing from doing this...if the local   
   >> government cannot control the situation in Hong Kong...prove that   
   >> Hong Kong people cannot rule Hong Kong island by themselves.   
   >>   
   >> Hong Kong is in no position to challenge Beijing, to act against the   
   >interests of the motherland.   
   >>   
   >> If necessary, Beijing will let Hong Kong rot...to stop its role as an   
   >important export and export transshipment centre for Chinese products.   
   >   
   >> Beijing can and will transfer all the essential business activities   
   >from Hong Kong to Shengzhen...and let Hong Kong die...let it become a   
   >backwater island again.   
   >>   
   >You are right. And the drum beater of mobocracy know that too. Hence   
   >the goal is not really about democracy. But to spoil China's chance   
   >take back Taiwan.   
      
   In fact, I don't think the current generation of China's ruling elite   
   would go to the length of deploying the PLA.  Hong Kong is not the   
   heart of the nation - no matter how it has been perceived as a trade   
   center.   
      
   I think that economic solutions are infinitely preferable to military   
   solutions.   
      
   In particular, as I am looking at a map showing locations of protests   
   provided by the BBC News, I wonder if the administration would suspend   
   cross-strait traffic until the "Occupy Central" protest that is lining   
   Connaught Road dies down.  The point is the protests are at this point   
   confined only to the HK island.  The local administration, banks, and   
   other large businesses can set up shop elsewhere with possibly reduced   
   traffic.  In fact, they can, with the help of China, quickly set up   
   conference centers near the airport, which is on the Peninsula, rather   
   than on the HK island itself.  So, essential business can get done,   
   albeit at a reduced volume.   
      
   There is nothing that cannot be accomplished if you put your brain to   
   the problem, when you're in control of the resources, as opposed to   
   the protesters.  This is exactly how the US ruling elite defeated   
   Occupy Wall Street, and other "Occupy" branches.  It's true that a few   
   of Victoria Nuland's colleagues are busy bringing lunch to the   
   protesters and some spare change too.  But I think that the problem   
   can be solved with patience, resources, and a lot of thought, without   
   resorting to violence.   
      
   Put non-lethal resources, along with a lot of thought and patience,   
   to the problem.  Learn the good and the bad from what happened in   
   Ukraine.  This problem can and will be solved!   
      
   I also feel that allowing universal suffrage in 2017 in the form of   
   voting for one out of a field of two or three candidates is at the   
   minimum a big step forward in the direction of democracy since the   
   current HK Chief was not elected but appointed in 2012.  Therefore, in   
   absolute terms, it is progress.   
      
   And in practice, the political establishment in this country has done   
   exactly the same to the US voters where they were allowed only two or,   
   at most three, to vote from, who have a realistic chance to win.   
      
   Those guys like Rocky Anderson, Jill Stein, Gary Johnson, Ron Paul,   
   Dennis Kucinich, and other from the previous two elections, for   
   example, as well as their positions on the important issues such as   
   war and peace, health care, etc.  were ignored and not given coverage   
   by the major media.  Consequently, when only a few percent of the   
   electorate have heard of them, the MSM will use the statistics to   
   back-justify their decision to ignore them in the first place.   
      
   In the end, we had to choose between the "arrogant" Al Gore and the   
   inarticulate, coached, and dishonest team "W" Bush and Dick Cheney to   
   lead the country in 2000.  And it was pretty much variations of the   
   same story in other national elections in the past 50 years, at the   
   least.   
      
   So, if the people of HK will have suffrage in 2017 as envisioned, they   
   will be doing as well as we the American people have been doing all   
   this time.  Insisting on more may well suggest that the players are   
   doing the bidding of some outside player(s).   
      
   lo yeeOn   
      
   >   
   >> Would the USA send its war machines to stop China from doing this?   
   >   
   >I don't think so.   
   >   
      
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