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From: acoustic@panix.com
In article ,
ltlee1@hotmail.com wrote:
>On Monday, June 15, 2015 at 4:06:24 AM UTC-4, Force sin wrote:
>> On Sunday, 14 June 2015 22:07:33 UTC+8, ltl...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>
>> > Jon Basil Utley, had written a great analysis piece on why America
>does not win its wars listing 12 reasons.
>> >
>>
>> Basil has a typical perspective of an American...refusal to face the
>harsh reality. They will give all sorts of excuses for losing recent
>wars...some Americans even claim victory in wars (such a Bush and
>Obama).
>>
>> The US media culture...has cultivated this recent American cultural
>change... Every thing, including absurd claims, can be twisted and
>changed into the "positive" ... 'the great American Spins'.
>>
>>
>> Basil's attempt to tell us grandmother stories that the USA failed to
>win war because it has more important things to do !!!
>>
>> The truth is....
>> The USA no longer have what it takes to win a war. This is the ugly
>truth that every American refuse to accept.
>
>Alright. Please list these "no longer have what it takes."
I don't know whether my list is what Force sin has in mind. But in
his language, I propose that the US does not have the A nor B below to
win the war it is responsible for waging.
With the caveat that no country has ever won many significant foreign
wars by itself, the A on my list is "another big army coming to the
war and making the great big sacrifice, like the Red Army did in WWII"
and the B is "the vital, or at least the tacit but widespread, support
of the locals who see us as no worse than the existing foreign power,
like the Spanish empire during the Spanish-American war waged more
than a century ago".
During the Korean War, the US didn't win it because our troops went as
far as to Heilung Jiang, aka Amur, aka Sahaliyan Ula, literally the
Black Dragon River that separates China from Korea, thus threatening
the survival of both the Chinese as well as the North Korean people.
A winning US military would mean a net plus one foreign power in the
region, since Japan was already soundly defeated a few years earlier.
During the Vietnam War, the Vietnamese people were already defeating
their hated French colonial master by the time the US came in. So, a
winning US military would mean a net plus one foreign power in the
region - a presence the locals did not need.
Likewise, Iraq was at peace with itself when G W Bush invaded her.
The invasion might have benefited the Kurdish minority; but it hurts
not only the Sunni Iraqis, the Christians, and the women, but also the
poor among the Shi'ite Muslims. If Saddam oppressed his people, the
presence of the Americans and the Brits were a significant, additional
evil for most Iraqis. So how could the US have won the Iraqi War?
Likewise in the case of the Afghan war and likewise in the case of the
barbaric bombing of Libya by NATO forces. Little wonder that even
Timbuktu is now plagued with "jihadists". Remember that one person's
jihadists maybe another's patriotic nationalists - no more, no less!
When did the US win any significant war by itself? I can count only
one - the Spanish-American war in which the net change of foreign
presence was zero.
Of course, the US had a significant role in winning WWII; but it was
by no means the only decisive one. None of us can say what would have
happened to Europe if the tens of millions of sacrifice in human lives
on the USSR side did not take place to cause Nazi Germany's Wehrmacht
to grind to a halt since Hitler eventually devoted up to 80 percent of
the entire Wehrmacht to the east in an attempt to reverse the Red Army
momentum.
Since all the wars the US participated in waging since then did not
involve any significant participation from another militarily-capable
country like the Soviet Union during WWII and yet they all amounted to
bringing the US in as a new foreign master, causing great grief to the
locals, it would only be natural that resistance turns out to be too
stiff to defeat.
Since the Soviet army came to our aid only through Hitler's enormous
miscalculation, America is not expected to find another huge human
army that will help her with her quest for hegemony for a long, long
time. Furthermore, the world today has few colonies left for America
to help defeat to make the locals feel that her presence is worth it.
Not even the Okinawans in Japan nor the Koreans in S Korea today find
our troops a welcome presence today. Are you surprised?
lo yeeOn
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