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From: acoustic@panix.com
In article <7878fd77-12df-46a5-9d66-8172d26ff278@googlegroups.com>,
wrote:
>On Saturday, November 14, 2015 at 2:39:10 PM UTC-8, lo yeeOn wrote:
>> If some ISIS fighters harbor grandiose illusions about their future,
>> try to put yourself in their shoes and see if you can feel their pain.
>
>Good one. You've succeeded in being arrogant, idiotic and offensive, all
>in one fell swoop.
Obviously, you're not worried that what happened in Paris last week
may happen again in other European cities or America, by myopically
ignoring the context of the rise of ISIS. ISIS is the child of Bush
II's invasion of Iraq.
You see, that war which killed at least hundreds of thousands of Iraqis,
was not just a "mistake" as you have described it elsewhere. It was
both a horrific war crime and a colossal blunder, probably larger than
any since the Civil War or before.
"Saddam is a monster" people (including you) said.
But what is ISIS?
And if we invade yet again, what will replace ISIS except something yet
more militant, yet more dangerous, and yet more desparate, as we have
made these people to be?
The chickens have truly come home to roost.
As for the words you snipped out from context in order to satisfy your
sniping lust. The poster I was responding to talking about the ISIS
people as if they have grandiose delusions, comparing with Genghis
Khan and the "Vikings". These are his/her words:
>Well, this problem seems to be growing in corrupt, backward places
>Nigeria and Iraq. And the terrorists are not happy with only those
>territories. Naturally they want to expand and "conquer the world."
>The Mongols did that, the Vikings did that.
It's not helpful to make inappropriate comparisons in serious
situations like the Parisian attacks at the Stade, in bars, and at
concert venues. And unless we connect the causes to the results, we
won't succeed in solving the problem at hand.
Look at how Obama and Hillary Clinton treated the Parisian attacks?
Obama: "ISIS is the face of evil."
Hillary Clinton praised George W. Bush for making the "contribution"
by telling the American people that when we attacked Afghanistan and
Iraq, we were not at war with Islam - just the "faces of evil".
Well, after more than a decade of pushing a war against the "faces of
evil", what have we reaped?
Words are cheap. What we have effectively done was not just at war
with the "faces of evil", but with many, many Islam-loving people who
happened to be in our way - the path of our juggernaut). And we have
been effectively at war with Islam a lot longer than the original
"faces of evil".
We used incendiary bombs, white phosphor in Fallujah, having denied
the Fallujans a place in the sun after G W Bush's blood lust. That
Iraqi city was destroyed as the Basque city named Guernica was
destroyed by Francisco Franco's air forces under the protection of
Hitler's Luffwaffe.
ISIS rose from the ashes of Fallujah and many independent observers
have identify a "straight line" from it to the rise of IS in Iraq.
(Now we call them the "faces of evils". Naturally, they are the new
"faces of evils". And so, the way we are at war with them, these
"faces of evils" never vanish.)
The way we are at war with them, not only that they don't vanish but
that they flourish!
Why?
We assassinated fiery preachers, and even their teen age children,
having killed Osama bin Laden. we murdered Muammar Qaddafi, after
executing Saddam Hussain. We sent mercenaries to Syria after
destroying Libya. We started a new war in Yemen and we are reneging
on leaving Afghanistan. We pressured france to contribute bombing
raids in Africa and now in Syria - leading to a large influx of
refugees of Syrian origin into Europe and all kinds of risks of
terrorist attacks in its cities.
(Now, those in Washington who were responsible for recruiting fighters
to overtrow Assad's government in Syria want you to believe that the
"refugees" are such heart-tucking victims of the "faces of evils" that
to deny accepting them into America are moral misfits. Actually, just
like many Vietnamese who were granted visa to enter into the United
States were working with the CIA or the US military, I believe that
these Syrian "refugees" are Hillary Clinton's 10,000 or 15,000
recruits way back when she was still head of the State Department!
When we were defeated in the Vietnam war, we had to bail out our guys
and likewise we need to bail out those Syrian guys who were wrecking
their own country on behalf of our "humanitarian intervention" in that
country.)
How do we know that Obama and Hillary Clinton have such recruits to
rescue? I think this story from our endless war against the "faces of
evil" in Afghanistan might help! (Notice that this guy who wanted to
fly out of Kunduz so badly apparently had more than a few enemies in
the community he lived until the Taliban came back.)
"I am afraid of Taliban and their brutality," one resident said as
he described his plan to fly out of Faizabad with his family on the
next plane. "I am a moderate Afghan whose daughter and two boys are
studying in schools," he explained.
He worried that even if local Taliban fighters left him alone, the
influx of foreign fighters over the past year or two might kill him
and marry off his daughter. He worried that other residents of the
city might inform on him to any invading Taliban. "In fact, I am
even afraid of my neighbors who know that I am a teacher who
supports democracy," he said.
Yes, yes, he had to run from terror because he was a "moderate" and
one who "supports democracy" with neighbors who are ready to "inform
on him" the minute the Taliban returns".
Not only did he talk about himself like he was regurgitating from some
kind of American occupation handbook, what American policymakers like
Obama and the former secretary of state Hillary Clinton ought to ask
is how do they intend to defeat the Taliban when after more than a
doen year occupying Afghanistan, our Afghan friends have so many
enemies amidst their neighbors?
But obviously, instead of being honest, they want to treat children of
fiery preachers as targets of our missile assassinations! And they
even get into a habit of attacking medical clinics and killing doctors
and defenseless patients alike!
The attacks of Medicin sans Frontiers (MSF) facilities in Afghanistan,
in Yemen, and in Syria are our new low. And our generals are saying
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