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   Some 1,800 French citizens or residents are involved in jihadist   
   networks, and Hollande saw the air strikes as a pre-emptive measure.   
   French aircraft have targeted French citizens in Syria, in particular   
   on the night of October 8th-9th, when they sought to kill Salim   
   Benghalem, the man believed to oversee the training of French recruits   
   to IS.   
      
   Of course, Hollande and his PM are too well-protected to be hurt.  But   
   it is the people who go to a concert, watch a ball game, or have a   
   drink in a bar who were and the nation was terrorized.  Same thing   
   with George W Bush, Barack Obama, and Hillary Clinton, they are all   
   too well-protected to fear the terrorists.  It is the average Joe   
   against whom the terrorists is aimed.   
      
     The attacks were expected. With chilling prescience, French prime   
     minister Manuel Valls warned in an interview with L'Opinion,   
     published on Friday, that he feared "attacks at any moment". He   
     alluded to the downing of a Russian aircraft that killed 224 people   
     over the Sinai desert, and the bombing that killed 43 people in a   
     Shia neighbourhood of Beirut last week.  "Will they come to Europe?"   
     Valls asked.  "They want to."   
      
   And despite this knowledge, Hollande's government went ahead and   
   bombed an IS oil depot and yet made no effort to let the French know   
   what they were up to or their expected response from ISIS.  So, it is   
   clear that the warmongers never worry to much about their own   
   citizens, lest that such worry would negatively impact on their policy.   
      
   The Boston Marathon, ironically, tells us more about what is wrong   
   with our "war on terror", than just the observation that Bush's war   
   didn't make either our country or the rest of the world a safer place.   
      
   It tells us that when you "welcome" a "refugee family" into this   
   country, you're at risk of seeing kids growing up baffled by our   
   policy makers' blood lust and responded in some inappropriate way that   
   became catastrophic for many later.  You see, the Tsarnaev family are   
   Chechens - they were George W Bush's freedom fighters that we had an   
   obligation to welcome with open arms.  They came because they had an   
   uncle who worked for the CIA.  Most of the refugees from China during   
   the decades after WWII were kind of like them.  Similarly, the Hmongs,   
   the Vietnamese, the Cubans, and now the Syrians in the latest.  They   
   might be loyal to you or appear to be "moderate" Muslims when they   
   came.  But you have no way to control how their kids form their   
   opinions about and make sense of this world our leaders just keep   
   trying to destroy - in the of humanity and some other false pretenses.   
   So, you can deride others who are trying to point you to the truth.   
   But did the West's policy makers' war on terrorism achieving their   
   goal?  Obama vowed revenge and defeat of the "faces of the evil".  But   
   all he got was that big hair kid's death sentence.  He didn't prevent   
   the Russian plane from being blown up by terrorists.  He didn't   
   prevent our dearest Parisian friends from being massacre.   
      
   (True, magically none of the Americans from the Eagles of Dead Metals   
   were hurt despite the fact that the terrorists went on the stage they   
   were performing!  Or was it really so magical, if we knew that the   
   terrorists were taught by their leader not to touch the Americans?   
   Yes, the Tsarnaev brothers were doing their things without properly   
   terrorist training, so to speak.  But then it begs the question of how   
   to prevent these home-grown terrorists from sprouting from nowhere and   
   deciding to just kill Americans and non-Americans alike, when our   
   method is to run bombing raids in poor defenseless countries in   
   Central Asia and the Middle East.  Now you can see why our war of   
   aggression, aka war on terror, cannot win.  It's because you cannot   
   fight your war in Newton, Massachusetts but modern communication is   
   such that what you do in Afghanistan or Yemen or Syria come right back   
   to Newton to haunt the kids.  Of course, it's the kids' fault.  In   
   effect, they are who they are because of bad influence from our   
   political leaders in Washington.  Our political leaders are the source   
   of all evil, you might conclude!)   
      
   For more of this discussion, continue below...   
      
   In article <87bnar7nx5.fsf@wintersun.localdomain>,   
   jdeluise   wrote:   
   >bmoore@nyx.net writes:   
   >   
   >> On Saturday, November 14, 2015 at 2:39:10 PM UTC-8, lo yeeOn wrote:   
   >>> If some ISIS fighters harbor grandiose illusions about their future,   
   >>> try to put yourself in their shoes and see if you can feel their   
   >>> pain.   
   >>   
   >> Good one. You've succeeded in being arrogant, idiotic and offensive,   
   >> all in one fell swoop.   
   >   
   >Notice deafening silence on his golden boy Putin bombing ISIS targets.   
   >   
   >I suspect soon we'll hear about all these "gentle souls" driven to bomb   
   >and shoot innocents like he did with the Boston Marathon bombers.   
      
   A long long time ago - in the time of Confucius - there were endless   
   wars.  In fact, the period was called the Warring Nations.  While most   
   denizens were drafted to kill each other on behalf of their masters,   
   some were vexing over the existential question of whether we human   
   were born good or evil.  A school emerged that believed that all human   
   were born evil while another, that all babies were born with a blank   
   slate, capable of turning bad or good, depending on the influences   
   exerted on them as they grew up.   
      
   After Confucius, school became a big part of a Chinaman- or   
   Chinawoman's life and China's period of Warring Nations soon shuttered   
   their shops for lack of business.   
      
   So, you see George W Bush's wars with the "faces of evil" didn't go   
   anywhere.  He didn't make the world a safer place after his killing   
   spree in Afghanistan, Iraq, and elsewhere in the Middle East.  London   
   suffered, Madrid suffered, Boston suffered, even Paris has now   
   suffered!   
      
   You talked about the Tsarnaev brothers.  I didn't invent that "gentle   
   souls" characterization for them.  It was their teachers and people   
   who supposedly knew them well who reportedly testified in court to   
   that effect.   
      
   You can believe what you believe.  I want to connect the dots.  Irish   
   Times' Lara Marlowe has done that.  Read her article!  What she cited   
   has been largely corroborated by articles from the Atlantics and other   
   journals.   
      
   lo yeeOn   
      
   Air strikes on Syria echo fatally back home in Paris   
   http://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/air-strikes-on-syria-echo-fata   
   ly-back-home-in-paris-1.2431094   
      
   There's a straight line between Bush's invasion of Iraq and France's   
      
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