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From: acoustic@panix.com
In article <87r3jn5752.fsf@wintersun.localdomain>,
jdeluise wrote:
>acoustic@panix.com (lo yeeOn) writes:
>
>>
>> Of course, Hollande and his PM are too well-protected to be hurt.
>
>Well, he was at the soccer game so it's possible he could have been hurt,
>protection or not.
Well, I wasn't there but if they were, I have every reason to believe
that their seats would have been carefully screened for explosives and
there must have been layers of security personnel forming a buffer
between them and any attackers, don't you think?
I don't necessarily believe everything that comes out of the oracle of
a government, including the FBI (concerning the Chechen brothers),
especially after how we have been lied to by Bush and other Washington
officials in this new century?
>
>> But it is the people who go to a concert, watch a ball game, or have a
>> drink in a bar who were and the nation was terrorized. Same thing
>> with George W Bush, Barack Obama, and Hillary Clinton, they are all
>> too well-protected to fear the terrorists. It is the average Joe
>> against whom the terrorists is aimed.
>
>And Putin?
I have questioned why our presidents are so well-protected by their
security details and yet not just one, but two, and three planes could
so successfully ram into their targeted buildings within a span of a
couple of hours in the same morning? There are at least two ways to
look at it. One is that they simply let those planes come, by making
sure that NORAD was grounded and another, that our heads of state have
been extraordinarily protected. By extension, if we had tried to
protect the WTC the way they protected the presidents, those buildings
would probably still stand.
Putin? Of course, if you watch a little bit of the Sochi games on
Youtube, you would at least get a sense that Putin's seating area had
been carefully screened and kept under tight watch continuously. I
was more amazed by his several-hour long attendance at the
International Tchaikovsky Competition Gala Concert in June this year.
Of course, he was among friendly folks there and it was before he
decided to bomb ISIS strongholds in Syria. And ultimately between two
and three hundred innocent Russian people paid for his Syrian bombing
mission with their dear lives. But at least, Russia is not known to
have engaged in regime change there, unlike us.
>> You talked about the Tsarnaev brothers. I didn't invent that "gentle
>> souls" characterization for them. It was their teachers and people
>> who supposedly knew them well who reportedly testified in court to
>> that effect.
>
>Occam's razor tells me that they were/are not gentle souls. Yes, some
>people do horrible things in extreme situations... they were not in such
>a situation. Combined with the fact the brothers are suspected of
>having been involved in multiple drug-related deaths (with plenty of
>circumstantial evidence) pretty much seals it for me. Doesn't fit your
>agenda though, so no surprise you don't believe it.
OK, you are talking about your personal belief. I grant you that that
is a valid point. But the "gentle souls" characterization of them
came from court testimonials by "expert witnesses", not just an
average Joe, as you know. So, don't you think you are asking too much
when you ask me to take your view, instead of those of the people who
are either experts or who had known them when the brothers were still
kids?
But as I pointed out in my response, 1) most educational psychologists
do believe that a child was born with a clean slate and could be
influenced either way; 2) if Dzokhar Tsarnaev was such a sweet gentle
boy to those who knew him then, then my Occam's razor would tell me
that something really bad must have poisoned his mind - and that is
the only reasonable stand for anyone who has a modicum of scientific
training; 3) to believe that the brothers were bad without bad
influences is tantamount to saying that the physical world we live in
is not governed by the law of causality, just some random events that
sprout into existence now and then.
I also pointed out that the Tsarnaev family is a classic case of how
you might start with a family which has demonstrated loyalty to the
Americans in their foreign homeland and then their children grow up
here and are baffled by what our government has done to the folks who
share their language, religion, customs, as well as their loves and
hates.
No one who treasures life would not abhor terrorism. But have we not
learned that our wars have done just the opposite to fighting
terrorism?
The right way to fight terrorism is take Jesus' teaching to heart. We
must be the first to stop inflicting state-sponsored acts of terrorism
on other people.
If I have an agenda, that agenda is what I believe to be the best way
to attain an enduring peace. Furthermore, I don't believe George Bush
had any grounds to invade and occupy Iraq.
Yes, I also find those stories about drug-related killing allegations
not serious. I can't believe that the younger brother who was living
in the dorm at the U. of Mass. could be so popular with his friends
and still be participating in killing sprees on the weekends. This
might fit the line of a thriller like Dr. Jackal and Mr. Hyde. But I
don't trust what was leaked from the FBI or some such gossipy source.
If we regularly believe this kind of story, we don't need to have a
trial for any alleged crime. Besides, believing that the Chechen
brothers were/are "monsters" won't explain nor help solve the problem
of the refugee crisis in Europe or the civil wars in Syria, Iraq, and
Libya. What is clear is that our government caused those and we
patriotic Americans need to stop the Bush lies from being perpetuated
and convince Washington to take our slaughter machines home.
lo yeeOn
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My earlier post is appended here with corrections
Subject: There's a straight line between Bush's invasion of Iraq and
France's torment by Lara Marlowe in Paris Re: "The Conflict" in the
Middle East arises from the rubble and ruin we left in Iraq, Syria,
Libya, Yemen and elsewhere
Some 1,800 French citizens or residents are involved in jihadist
networks, and Hollande saw the air strikes as a pre-emptive measure.
French aircraft have targeted French citizens in Syria, in particular
on the night of October 8th-9th, when they sought to kill Salim
Benghalem, the man believed to oversee the training of French recruits
to IS.
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