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XPost: soc.culture.syria
From: acoustic@panix.com
"Some 1,800 French citizens or residents are involved in jihadist
networks, and Hollande saw the air strikes as a pre-emptive measure.
French aircraft have targeted French citizens in Syria, in
particular on the night of October 8th-9th, when they sought to kill
Salim Benghalem, the man believed to oversee the training of French
recruits to IS."
(Notice that Hollande was playing with fire and was prepared to
sacrifice the average Joe in Paris. He was trying to play way out of
his league.)
Of course, Hollande and his PM are too well-protected to be hurt.
But it is the people who go to a concert, watch a ball game, or have a
drink in a bar who were and the nation was terrorized. Same thing
with George W Bush, Barack Obama, and Hillary Clinton, they are all
too well-protected to fear the terrorists. It is the average Joe who
gets hurt.
The attacks were expected. With chilling prescience, French prime
minister Manuel Valls warned in an interview with L'Opinion,
published on Friday, that he feared "attacks at any moment". He
alluded to the downing of a Russian aircraft that killed 224 people
over the Sinai desert, and the bombing that killed 43 people in a
Shia neighbourhood of Beirut last week. "Will they come to Europe?"
Valls asked. "They want to."
And despite this knowledge, Hollande's government went ahead and
bombed an IS oil depot and yet made no effort to let the French know
what they were up to or their expected response from ISIS. So, it is
clear that the warmongers never worry to much about their own
citizens, lest that such worry would negatively impact on their policy.
The Boston Marathon, ironically, tells us more about what is wrong
with our "war on terror", than just the observation that Bush's war
didn't make either our country or the rest of the world a safer place.
It tells us that when you "welcome" a "refugee family" into this
country, you're at risk of seeing kids growing up baffled by our
policy makers' blood lust and responding in some inappropriate way
that becomes catastrophic for many later.
You see, the Tsarnaev family are Chechens - they were George W Bush's
freedom fighters that we had an obligation to welcome with open arms.
They came because they had an uncle who worked for the CIA. Most of
the refugees from China during the decades after WWII were kind of
like them. Similarly, the Hmongs, the Vietnamese, the Cubans, and now
the Syrians in the latest. They might be loyal to you or appear to be
"moderate" Muslims when they came. But you have no way to control how
their kids form their opinions about and make sense of this world our
leaders just keep trying to destroy - in the name of humanity and
under some other false pretenses.
So, you can deride others who are trying to point you to the truth,
but did the West's policy makers' war on terrorism achieve their goal?
Obama vowed revenge and defeat of the "faces of evil". But all he got
was that big hair kid's death sentence. He didn't prevent the Russian
plane from being blown up by terrorists. He didn't prevent our
dearest Parisian friends from being massacred.
(True, magically none of the Americans from the Eagles of Dead Metals
were hurt despite the fact that the terrorists went on the stage they
were performing! Or was it really so magical, if we knew that the
terrorists were taught by their leader not to touch the Americans?
Yes, the Tsarnaev brothers were doing their things without proper
terrorist training, so to speak. But then it begs the question of how
to prevent these home-grown terrorists from sprouting from nowhere and
deciding to just kill Americans and non-Americans alike, when our
method is to run bombing raids in poor defenseless countries in
Central Asia and the Middle East. Now you can see why our war of
aggression, aka war on terror, cannot win. It's because you cannot
fight your war in Newton, Massachusetts but modern communication is
such that what you do in Afghanistan or Yemen or Syria comes right
back to Newton to haunt the kids. Of course, it's the kids' fault.
In effect, they are who they are because of bad influence from our
political leaders in Washington. Our political leaders are the source
of all evil, you might conclude!)
For more of this discussion, continue below...
In article <87bnar7nx5.fsf@wintersun.localdomain>,
jdeluise wrote:
>bmoore@nyx.net writes:
>
>> On Saturday, November 14, 2015 at 2:39:10 PM UTC-8, lo yeeOn wrote:
>>> If some ISIS fighters harbor grandiose illusions about their future,
>>> try to put yourself in their shoes and see if you can feel their
>>> pain.
>>
>> Good one. You've succeeded in being arrogant, idiotic and offensive,
>> all in one fell swoop.
>
>Notice deafening silence on his golden boy Putin bombing ISIS targets.
>
>I suspect soon we'll hear about all these "gentle souls" driven to bomb
>and shoot innocents like he did with the Boston Marathon bombers.
A long long time ago - in the time of Confucius - there were endless
wars. In fact, the period was called the Warring Nations. While most
denizens were drafted to kill each other on behalf of their masters,
some were vexing over the existential question of whether we human
were born good or evil. A school emerged that believed that all human
were born evil while another, that all babies were born with a blank
slate, capable of turning bad or good, depending on the influences
exerted on them as they grew up.
After Confucius, school became a big part of a Chinaman- or
Chinawoman's life and China's period of Warring Nations soon shuttered
their shops for lack of business.
So, you see George W Bush's wars with the "faces of evil" didn't go
anywhere. He didn't make the world a safer place after his killing
spree in Afghanistan, Iraq, and elsewhere in the Middle East. London
suffered, Madrid suffered, Boston suffered, even Paris has now
suffered!
You talked about the Tsarnaev brothers. I didn't invent that "gentle
souls" characterization for them. It was their teachers and people
who supposedly knew them well who reportedly testified in court to
that effect.
You can believe what you believe. I want to connect the dots. Irish
Times' Lara Marlowe has done that. Read her article! What she cited
has been largely corroborated by articles from the Atlantic and other
journals.
lo yeeOn
Air strikes on Syria echo fatally back home in Paris
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