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   From: acoustic@panix.com   
      
   In article ,   
     wrote:   
   >On Thursday, November 19, 2015 at 11:46:20 PM UTC-8, lo yeeOn wrote:   
   >> In article <00aff502-b3d1-4586-85ac-ded930799391@googlegroups.com>,   
   >>   wrote:   
   >> >On Tuesday, November 17, 2015 at 11:43:37 PM UTC-8, jdeluise wrote:   
   >> >> bmoore@nyx.net writes:   
   >> >>   
   >> >> > On Saturday, November 14, 2015 at 2:39:10 PM UTC-8, lo yeeOn wrote:   
   >> >> >> If some ISIS fighters harbor grandiose illusions about their future,   
   >> >> >> try to put yourself in their shoes and see if you can feel their   
   >> >> >> pain.   
   >> >> >   
   >> >> > Good one. You've succeeded in being arrogant, idiotic and offensive,   
   >> >> > all in one fell swoop.   
   >> >>   
   >> >> Notice deafening silence on his golden boy Putin bombing ISIS targets.   
   >> >>   
   >> >> I suspect soon we'll hear about all these "gentle souls" driven to bomb   
   >> >> and shoot innocents like he did with the Boston Marathon bombers.   
   >> >   
   >> >He's a *genius*. He understands everyone's motives and hidden agenda,   
   >> >even better than they do.   
   >>   
   >> Unfortunately for you, bmoore, who is lying in wait to shoot the   
   >> messenger whose messages on these newsgroups do not agree with what   
   >> your neocon masters want the people to hear, you haven't show a shred   
   >> of evidence of what you've been gossiping about.  Show what you're   
   >> talking about by providing concrete evidence or citations to the   
   >> points you have specifically made, please.   
   >   
   >I have no "neocon masters" nor do I defend GW Bush. That's just what you   
   >accuse people of all the time. Whether people agree with your positions   
   >or not, there's no denying that your style and (lack of) substance are a   
   >problem with your posts, along with an unbelievable bias in one   
   >direction. Whatever message you are trying to convey is being lost due   
   >to your arrogance and illogic.   
      
   You don't need to pretend.  Look at what you wrote...   
      
     "Saddam was a monster, no question"   
      
     ">Given your defense of not only Saddam, but Kadaffy and the North   
      >Korean monsters, you deserve to have the shit beaten out of you."   
      
   Your modus operandi has always been so apparent and your villains seem   
   to have always coincided with the neocons' monsters du jour....  (You   
   know G W Bush's by-now-infamous antics of "fixing the intelligence to   
   serve his neocon masters' policy"?  You know that the neocons were   
   keeping quiet about Qaddafi and Assad until they were ready to take   
   them on?)  Yet you only characterized your "opposition to the Iraq   
   war" as something that is not "worth it", as if there was any virtue   
   about dropping tons of bombs on Iraq and bringing it back to the stone   
   age (entirely aside from killing 4500 American soldiers and maiming tens   
   of thousands more, for life).   
      
   Paul O'Neill, G W Bush's own treasury secretary for his first term and   
   Richard Clarke, the White House anti-terrorism czar since Bill   
   Clinton's time both revealed that the Bush team was actively working   
   on the invasion of Iraq from the first days while ignoring the defense   
   of this country, despite repeated warnings from the intelli community.   
      
   The Bush White House's preoccupation with attacking a distant country   
   while neglecting the safeguarding of the country he was entrusted to   
   defend was a high crime.  It cannot be simply dismissed as a venture   
   that wasn't worth taking.  It was deliberate deception.  People who   
   use the term "not worth it" to describe the Bush crime are   
   whitewashing his crime.   
      
   Furthermore, your track record on soc.culture.china consists of   
   attacking rst9, forceSin, ltlee, and me, with no substance except ad   
   homenim, character assassination, and maybe meaningless gotyas.  So,   
   it's clear that you've never had anything to say: all you've done was   
   attempt to discredit the messengers.  It just so happens that our   
   messages are not in sync with those of neocons.  Therefore, it's not   
   only hard for me to disassociate you from them but it is probably   
   pointless and maybe impossible to do so.   
      
   By the way having seen your explicit demonization of the Iranian   
   rulers, the North Korean rulers, Qaddafi, Saddam, etc. and anything   
   connected with the CCP's China and Putin's Russia, all point to your   
   irrational biases.  Unfortunately, such biases also point to wars as   
   your favorite approach to American foreign policy.   
      
   You may pretend that you and your neocon pals are America's friends,   
   but with friends like these, who needs enemies?   
      
   lo yeeOn   
      
   Subject: ISIS root: Why G W Bush bandied a big lie to wage a war   
   against Iraq that caused hundreds of thousands to die, millions   
   homeless, and the entire country destroyed just because "Saddam was a   
   monster, no question"?   
      
   In article <68834df7-a349-4da6-a373-91729ba587c3@googlegroups.com>,   
     wrote:   
   >On Friday, August 22, 2014 2:20:01 AM UTC-7, lo yeeOn wrote:   
   >> And the revival of the slogan "Saddam was a monster, no question"   
   >> is just the accompaniment to reviving a conflict we never had a   
   >> justification to be in in the first place.   
   >   
   >Once again, you still don't seem to understand that one can be opposed   
   >to US foreign policy yet recognize what kind of person Saddam was. You   
   >seem to have a pathological inability to say anything negative about   
   >Saddam, North Korea, etc.   
      
   And therefore, you were making this pretentious statement as a follow   
   up to jdeluise's post below?   
      
   bmoore wrote:   
     The real point IMO is that opposition to the US invasion of Iraq   
     should not have been based on challenging the neocons' assertion   
     that Saddam was a monster, because he most certainly was. It should   
     have been based on the fact that shaking up the status quo in that   
     part of the world would with high probability make things worse,   
     which it did.   
      
   Notice that you use the specious word of "challenging the neocons" who   
   asserted as you have repeatedly also have that Saddam was "certainly" a   
   "monster".   
      
   I was not challenging any assertions until when you came out of the   
   closet and started to whip Saddam's corpse.  Whip, whip... Saddam was   
   bad, and that's why he's dead.  Whip, whip,...   
      
   You are the one who keeps whipping Saddam's corpse on behalf of the   
   neocon propaganda machine to retroactively justify their crimes of   
   waging a totally unjustifiable war that resorted to big lies and to   
   proactively justify a new military adventure in Iraq and Syria.   
      
   The "evidence" that you cited for "Saddam was a monster - no question"   
   are urban legends.  Even if true, that's no basis to bring hundreds of   
   thousands of Iraqis to their premature deaths and millions more to   
      
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