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|    10 Oct 16 23:28:41    |
      XPost: soc.culture.china, soc.culture.usa, soc.culture.latin-america       XPost: soc.culture.iraq, soc.culture.syria, soc.culture.african       XPost: rec.sport.tennis       From: acoustic@panix.com              Wars have costs - lives that are lost, terrorism that is engendered,       and Islamophobia               Captain Khan's mother told us even today what she told her son when        she learned that he was going to Iraq. The mother said, "Come home        to me as my son. Don't come back as my hero!"              Millennial wars have killed hundreds of thousands of Muslims and       wrecked the homes of millions. These wars also sacrificed many       American lives. All these deaths are, whether you know it, a       significant part of the cost of the pointless wars we sowed in the       Middle East, Central Asia and Africa.              Although our leaders have coerced us into equating our own war deads       as "heroes", it is only a term of art, an euphemism, and nothing more.              In Ukraine, they talk about their Maidan Square deads as heros who       will never die, it's just Kool-Aid or morphine - a pill to encourage       more bloodshed, more conflict.              The fact remains that if we had a president who hadn't been so bent on       invading Iraq, hadn't been so duplicitous in tricking us into that       unnecessary war - that war of choice - those heroes of the Iraq War       would still be living and breathing today.              Captain Khan's mother told us even today what she told her son when       she learned that he was going to Iraq. The mother said, "Come home to       me as my son. Don't come back as my hero!"              It's likely the most heart-wrenching moment for a mother.              No mother would want to bury her son - regardless of what sugar her       president would feed her.              But to keep their favorite war(s) du jour going, the powers-that-be       simply feed them Kool-Aid or some sugar cubes.              And that's exactly what Trump tried - once again - to remind us in       last night's presidential debate: the costs of war.              "If he were president, he would not have invaded Iraq." he said. And       Captain Khan would not have died. And that was exactly Captain Khan's       mother's most fervent wish for her son.              Alas, while the reality of war did not take into account her wish, nor       those of other mothers of fallen soldiers, at least if we heed Trump's       message now, we may be able to stop more of this kind of death in the       future, which is a necessary price to pay for the neocons' agenda of       regime change.              At least then there wouldn't be more mothers of Captain Khan or       mothers of Sean Smith to grieve their irreplaceable losses today.              Yet the warmonger-controlled news media didn't like Trump's message,       just as they didn't the last time.              They made a concerted effort to accuse Trump of once supporting the       Iraq War, citing a pre-war conversation with the shock-jock Howard       Stern, while ignoring a public record of his opposition to the war.              So why has there been such a frenzy to hose down Trump each time he       talks about his opposition of the Iraq War?              Cui Bono? Who benefits?              What is the purpose of their concerted frenzy to frame Trump as an       Iraq War supporter?              Not because they are interested in the truth, that's for sure.              If you ignore the quantity of someone's opposition and simply pick a       vagary remark as your basis of denunciation, you are worse than the       Red Guards during the Chinese Cultural Revolution. And while the Red       Guards were typically young and unsophisticated, those who insist on       Trump being an Iraq War supporters harbor the malicious intention to       destroy their target.              Why they want to do that? Because, for these neocons, the stake is       high if someone who has a visceral disinclination to wage another       regime change war is able to slip through their control and become our       president.              In a row last night, Trump again asserted his non-interventionist       credentials: his opposition to bombing Syrian government troops, his       advocacy of working with Russia to fight ISIS, and his public record       of opposing George W Bush's Iraq War.              At least from hindsight, we ought to be able to answer the question of       what is the point of invading Iraq?              So, why is it such a bad idea for Trump to remind us of his record of       opposition to the Iraq War?              These neocons and their sycophants are not patriots. They just want       their wars while disregarding the cost.              But should the American people roll over and let the neocons take them       to more regime change wars, such as shooting Assad's soldiers, in       order to save Hillary's hand-picked terrorists?              These warmongers created a massive cultural conflict between Muslims       and people in the West. That's why we have Islamophobia today.              These warmongers also created the random terrorists that wreaked       havocs in American cities and Western capitals. How did the Tsarnaev       brothers came to become terrorists. The neocon propaganda operators       would tell you that there wasn't causality in their violence. But       educators think otherwise, as the expert witnesses in the surviving       Tsarnaev's trial showed.              So, Trump is doing this country a vital service by educating us the       costs of war.              What are these costs besides Captain Khan and Sean Smith's deaths?              Plenty, in fact.              To pay for these endless wars, Washington's decision-makers need to       keep both wages and interest rate low so that business sputters along       and so that the stock market does not collapse. And they give welfare       to the economic underclass to make sure that there isn't mass unrest       to interrupt with their belligerent foreign policy.              But Washington really can't keep inflation down forever, even with       Walmart stores and outsourcing of labors. Costs of Food, housing,       education, and healthcare have greatly outpaced wage increases, if       any.              So, even as Trump is the messenger of pivoting American resources back       to rebuilding the country from foreign wars, the Establishment, which       includes both the Republicans and Democrats - the White House and the       Congress - has colluded with the mass media to pour water on any       message that is perceived as linking Washington's endless wars to our       nation's want.              But it is good for Trump to keep bring up the relevant issue, every       chance he gets. Trump will be that gadfly who landed on warmonger       Hillary's heavily-powdered face. Just as the bird which landed on       Bernie Sanders' lectern might be telling us something and making his       supporters very happy, the unwelcome fly's landing on Hillary's face       may yet be another yet-to-be-fully-revealed message for all of us to       see.              lo yeeOn              http://fortune.com/2016/10/09/presidential-debate-hillary-clinto       -spokesman-donald-trump-captain-khan/              A spokesman for Hillary Clinton had a strong reaction to Donald       Trump's comments at Sunday night's presidential debate on Captain              [continued in next message]              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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