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bmoore wrote:
>On Wednesday, December 28, 2016 at 3:19:21 PM UTC-8, lo yeeOn wrote:
>> In article <227f013e-cd7d-4a22-af74-81e7298a5372@googlegroups.com>,
>> bmoore wrote:
>> >On Tuesday, December 27, 2016 at 7:55:06 PM UTC-8, lo yeeOn wrote:
>> >[his typical tripe]
>>
>> The so-called "his typical tripe" is the crux of the argument for why
>> Snopes is wrong, from Julian Assange, Judge Napolitano, and others.
>>
>> How arrogant it is for someone like bmoore who has not a shred of an
>> argument to dismiss the hard work of these distinguished analysts of
>> the contemporary American political scene. These individuals have
>> earned the reputation that they much deserve: Seekers of truth with
>> impeccable credibility and ethics!
>>
>> >The WND article noted that Snopes argued that Hillary's negligence in
>> >letting weapons fall into the hands of ISIS is not the same thing as
>> >*selling* weapons to ISIS. This is of course true.
>> >
>> >lo yeeOn is either dishonest or stupid.
>>
>> Of course, it's bmoore's modus operandi in the SCC group to try to
>> discredit posts which do not agree with the neocon narrative.
>>
>> He thinks he can pull a fast one for the casual readers in the group.
>>
>> He thinks he can smear the messenger to kill the message. But he, as
>> always, has failed once again.
>>
>> And as always I only make claims that I have stuff to back it up with
>> in the same article that i post.
>>
>> The point for me to cite the WND article, including Snopes' lame
>> excuse for Hillary is to show that Snopes deliberately ignored the
>> long history of Hillary's clandestine involvement in arming ISIS
>> during her tenure as SoS. In fact, ignoring the context is a common
>> defense tactic for criminals like Hillary who made regime change the
>> focus of her State job and started out with the grotesque project to
>> overthrow the Gaddafi government in Libya and then shifted her regime
>> change human resources, aka, her mercenaries, along with the arms they
>> had used in the Libyan war, to Syria.
>>
>> I didn't have to do anything except to quote the WND article because
>> it details the context of Hillary's history of arming terrorists.
>>
>> It's clear why Snopes said things that would _appear_ to absolve
>> Hillary. It's, as WND pointed out, a "left-leaning" organization. It
>> didn't like Assange's revelations on Democracy Now and it of course
>> didn't like Assange's recent Christmas Eve interview with Repubblica's
>> Stefania Maurizi. So, even as Snopes cannot deny the fact that
>> weapons captured from fleeing ISIS fighters have the "made in the US"
>> label, it ignores all the ISIS supporting activities Hillary and her
>> staff were engaged in in those years that caused millions of Syrians
>> to be homeless and hundreds of thousands more to be killed.
>>
>> But WND made very careful documentation of what Judicial Watch, Judge
>> Napolitano have analyzed - through hundreds of pages of documents they
>> were able to uncover through the FOIA.
>>
>> Some of the most damning evidence that has come through was that the
>> late Ambassador Christopher Stevens was moving arms from group to
>> group in Libya to help Hillary accomplish what NATO could not do in
>> the air. And because of Stevens' interaction with ISIS, he was
>> eventually killed when ISIS attacked the US consulate in Benghazi.
>> ("If you lie down with a rattle snake you may get bitten", as the
>> proverb goes.) That tragedy was merely a point of illustration of the
>> dark side of regime change - using terrorists to overthrow governments.
>>
>> Julian Assange used much more diplomatic terms to describe this dark
>> stuff.
>>
>> "So, those Hillary Clinton emails, they connect together with the
>> cables that we have published of Hillary Clinton, creating a rich
>> picture of how Hillary Clinton performs in office, but, more
>> broadly, how the U.S. Department of State operates," Assange said in
>> the interview.
>>
>> "So, for example, the disastrous, absolutely disastrous intervention
>> in Libya, the destruction of the Gadhafi government, which led to
>> the occupation of ISIS of large segments of that country, weapons
>> flows going over to Syria, being pushed by Hillary Clinton, into
>> jihadists within Syria, including ISIS, that's there in those emails."
>>
>> And a former Obama administration DHS officer Philip Haney and WND
>> Editor Art Moore explained the administration's silence on the
>> Benghazi fiasco in "See Something, Say Nothing: A Homeland Security
>> Officer Exposes the Government's Submission to Jihad,"
>>
>> Turkish President Erdogan just revealed that the US was working with
>> ISIS in Syria.
>>
>> "They are supporting all the terror groups," Erdogan said. "It's
>> quite clear, perfectly obvious," he said, offering to provide proof
>> in pictures and video.
>>
>> And I specifically put Judge Napolitano's analysis at the top of my
>> post to show that Assange's revelation on Hillary's business in arming
>> ISIS is firmly backed up by the way our government has worked using
>> intelligence information to start a war against a country somewhere on
>> this planet - very sleazy and very secretive.
>>
>> [Judge] Napolitano explained that to use intelligence assets under
>> the war powers resolution, Clinton needed the cooperation and
>> informal consent of the "Congress within the Congress," referring to
>> the House Committee on Intelligence and the Senate Select Committee
>> on Intelligence, which are sworn to secrecy.
>>
>> "The result is the president of the United States, the secretary of
>> state and about two dozen people in the House and Senate, including
>> the leadership of both parties in both houses, can authorize a
>> clandestine war using CIA assets" he said.
>>
>> "And this is exactly what President Obama and Secretary Clinton
>> did."
>>
>> Having obtained the authorization of the House and Senate
>> intelligence committees, Clinton began a secret gun-running
>> operation to Libya, using a provision in the United Nations-imposed
>> arms embargo on Libya that allowed the foreign minister of
>> participating countries to grant an exception to the embargo,
>> Napolitano said [regarding the Turi arms smuggling case].
>>
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